COLD WATER EXTRACTION made simple(r)

[The_Idler]

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TL;DR responses.

ill say what i ALWAYS say though.

200ml water is adequate (unless youre doing 5 lots a day).
more, increases APAP.
less, increases % losses, extraction time and decreases overall efficiency.
cold (no, freezing it is unnecessary, unless youre doing 5 lots a day)
coffee filters, fine woven shirts, two (dbl layer) panels of kitchel roll to filter. adequate (unless youre doing 5 lots a day)
crushing pills is faster than dissolving in cold water (IME, UK)

The entire process takes between 1 and 2 minutes.
MINUTES.

[dino haze]

Is this worth doing for someone taking 8,000mg APAP within a 24-hour period? Don't say "sure, just do a lot at once" because filtering large quantities at a time is out of the question due to an acute ability to **** something up beyond belief. Don't want to waste them.

Also, is the recommended 4,000mg a day a relaxed safe zone, or the absolute maximum? I've read somewhere that 10,000mg within 24 hours can kill you.

Throwing five Vicodin ES' into a glass, dissolving them and filtering them for consumption sounds way too easy and good to be true. I'm sure there are a million things that can go wrong and from what I've read one of the most common problems is that you sacrifice some of the good stuff in the process.

[triiper]

4000mg is maximum to stay safe and ya 10000mg can kill you. and the only thing you can really do to fuck it up is spill the water. if you fuck something up filtering then just re-filter it. yes it is that easy. just wet the coffee filter before so you won't soak it with a bunch of vicodin water. i don't know if it makes any difference but you got nothing to lose

[Fail Fighter]

Is this worth doing for someone taking 8,000mg APAP within a 24-hour period?

I personally do it with every single pill containing APAP, no matter how many mg it is. Why? Because I want the hydrocodone, not the APAP. I don't care what the "safe" level is. I don't like ingesting any form of poison unless it's going to get me high.


Don't say "sure, just do a lot at once"

I do it with as little as (3) 5/500 pills at a time.


Throwing five Vicodin ES' into a glass, dissolving them and filtering them for consumption sounds way too easy and good to be true.

That's it. I do this all the time.

1. Throw pills in a shot glass
2. Fill shot glass with water (distilled water is best - water impurities can keep the APAP in solution).
3. Let pills sit for a minute or two and they'll fully dissolve
4. Stir
5. Pour through two pre-wetted coffee filters (doubled-up for extra strength and filtering)
6. Carefully squeeze filters to get the precious hydro solution out. Don't squeeze too hard while there is still liquid in the filters or the side will burst and spray your precious yield everywhere. Once all the liquid is squeezed out, twist the filters on top to make them look like a tootsie pop wrapper. Then squeeze the filters/APAP solids with the force of God to get every last drop out. I'm a big strong guy, so I can usually press out almost every drop, which leaves a partially dry, almost powdered form of APAP behind in the filters.


I'm sure there are a million things that can go wrong

No. There is only one thing that can go wrong: you spill.


and from what I've read one of the most common problems is that you sacrifice some of the good stuff in the process.

To avoid losses:

1. Don't spill.
2. Pre-wet the coffee filters, or use actual lab-grade hydrophobic filters.
3. Don't skimp on the amount of water you use. I always use WAY more than I need, like 50ml for (3) 5/500 pills. That will ensure maximum hydro dissolution.
5. Use distilled water. Impurities in tap water can severely affect this type of separation.
6. Don't cool the mixture in the fridge/freezer. You'll filter out slightly less APAP this way, but you'll also retain slightly more hydro.



Or, forget all this crap and buy a centrifuge. Mix the pills with water and pour it into the centrifuge tubes. Spin and the APAP will compact to the bottom of the tubes. Then you can just drink the hydro solution out of the tube like it's a shot.

[dokomo]

I personally do it with every single pill containing APAP, no matter how many mg it is. Why? Because I want the hydrocodone, not the APAP. I don't care what the "safe" level is. I don't like ingesting any form of poison unless it's going to get me high.




I do it with as little as (3) 5/500 pills at a time.




That's it. I do this all the time.

1. Throw pills in a shot glass
2. Fill shot glass with water (distilled water is best - water impurities can keep the APAP in solution).
3. Let pills sit for a minute or two and they'll fully dissolve
4. Stir
5. Pour through two pre-wetted coffee filters (doubled-up for extra strength and filtering)
6. Carefully squeeze filters to get the precious hydro solution out. Don't squeeze too hard while there is still liquid in the filters or the side will burst and spray your precious yield everywhere. Once all the liquid is squeezed out, twist the filters on top to make them look like a tootsie pop wrapper. Then squeeze the filters/APAP solids with the force of God to get every last drop out. I'm a big strong guy, so I can usually press out almost every drop, which leaves a partially dry, almost powdered form of APAP behind in the filters.




No. There is only one thing that can go wrong: you spill.




To avoid losses:

1. Don't spill.
2. Pre-wet the coffee filters, or use actual lab-grade hydrophobic filters.
3. Don't skimp on the amount of water you use. I always use WAY more than I need, like 50ml for (3) 5/500 pills. That will ensure maximum hydro dissolution.
5. Use distilled water. Impurities in tap water can severely affect this type of separation.
6. Don't cool the mixture in the fridge/freezer. You'll filter out slightly less APAP this way, but you'll also retain slightly more hydro.



Or, forget all this crap and buy a centrifuge. Mix the pills with water and pour it into the centrifuge tubes. Spin and the APAP will compact to the bottom of the tubes. Then you can just drink the hydro solution out of the tube like it's a shot.

I like several things about your method, however what you said about cooling the solution is incorrect for the purposes here. Hydrocodone has a solubility of 60mg/ml so there would be no measurable loss in cold water. Not cooling before filtering only results in more APAP in the final product. (your extraction above would have around 400mg of APAP left in it.) Always cool.

[Binge Artist]

Here's my old way of doing a more or less immediate CWE.

Crush up Vicodin (or whatever) tablets, and roll them up in a coffee filter. Sort of like a Skoal "Bandit", if you know what that is.

Then, just carry around a bottle of cold water. Take a gulp, swish around, then swallow.

Repeat until f#$ked.

[dino haze]

That was a real nice reply; really helpful. Thanks a lot.

[Fail Fighter]

I like several things about your method, however what you said about cooling the solution is incorrect for the purposes here. Hydrocodone has a solubility of 60mg/ml so there would be no measurable loss in cold water.

The problem is that a lot of people go by "book" information. I used to be big on experimenting with synthesis, A/B extractions, etc., so I can tell you firsthand that empirical testing rarely agrees with published data.

Personally, I'd say the most important thing you can do is go overboard with the amount of water. Like I said, I usually fill a shot glass (~35ml) to dissolve 15mg hydro.


Not cooling before filtering only results in more APAP in the final product. (your extraction above would have around 400mg of APAP left in it.) Always cool.

Maybe in theory, not in practice. Vacuum filtering the solution through a 2.5 um filter at room temp gets most of the APAP. I can put the solution in the freezer and wait until it cools to just above freezing, and not much more APAP will precip out.

[Binge Artist]

Personally, I'd say the most important thing you can do is go overboard with the amount of water. Like I said, I usually fill a shot glass (~35ml) to dissolve 15mg hydro.

Back in the day when I was "picky" about CWE's (thankfully, I'm back at the point where three 10/365 pills gets me RIPPED), I was always cautious about extra water. Doesn't that increase the amount of APAP that gets dissolved?

[dokomo]

Back in the day when I was "picky" about CWE's (thankfully, I'm back at the point where three 10/365 pills gets me RIPPED), I was always cautious about extra water. Doesn't that increase the amount of APAP that gets dissolved?

It does, for ever mL of water in your extraction you can count on 8mg of APAP. It isn't insoluble, just not very soluble. So less water is better, but you have to have a certain amount for the extraction to be effective (for practical purposes, not for hydrocodone solubility purposes)

[dokomo]

The problem is that a lot of people go by "book" information. I used to be big on experimenting with synthesis, A/B extractions, etc., so I can tell you firsthand that empirical testing rarely agrees with published data.

Personally, I'd say the most important thing you can do is go overboard with the amount of water. Like I said, I usually fill a shot glass (~35ml) to dissolve 15mg hydro.




Maybe in theory, not in practice. Vacuum filtering the solution through a 2.5 um filter at room temp gets most of the APAP. I can put the solution in the freezer and wait until it cools to just above freezing, and not much more APAP will precip out.

I definitely understand (and agree) about theory vs. practice in many situations. All I am saying is that unless you have perfected an extraction method and had your final product professionally analyzed for precise contents, you really can't claim that practice is different than theory for CWEs.

It is well known that lower temperatures decrease APAP solubility. Even if it does the same for hydrocodone, lets just go all out and say that using 36 degree water cuts its solubility in half, it would still have a solubility of 30mg/mL.

And yes, the higher quality the filtration, the better because it will catch more APAP that is SUSPENDED in the solution. However, your filter will not catch APAP that has been dissolved in the water. I know that filtration catches MOST of the APAP in this whole process, I'm just trying to say that there is nothing wrong with cooling the water and that it definitely gets less APAP in your final solution (even if the difference is somewhat small, its still a difference.)

[jivepepper]

Why not filter it twice? Once at room temp. Then once after ithe temp has been dropped to near freezing. Wouldn't you get the benefits of both that way?

If I did only 3 10/500mg lortabs what could I expect as far a yeild of hydocodone?

[dokomo]

Why not filter it twice? Once at room temp. Then once after ithe temp has been dropped to near freezing. Wouldn't you get the benefits of both that way?

If I did only 3 10/500mg lortabs what could I expect as far a yeild of hydocodone?

If you make sure not to lose/spill water or solution at any step and filter properly you should have a fairly high yield. I'm not sure what to tell you mg wise, but close to your original amount. Remember, water=hydrocodone! All the excess water in your dress shirt and coffee filters need to be sqeezed out in the end to get every last bit of it.

Check the CWE megathread for specific instructions on the method that I like. It has been very efficient in my experience.

[Oxypro12]

Thanks for the recipe i tried it today with a coffee filter, i dampened it first so it wouldnt absorb the opiate solution and i broke 2 5/500 vicadon in half and put them in warm water until dissolved and then poured it into the filter. then i mixed the solution with gatorade and it worked.
thanks for the help

[Oxypro12]

Oh yea and i just extracted 3 vics and parachuted 4 and took 2 xanax ,4 benadryl and an aleve liguid gel i heard they give you warmer high, dont know but im feeling pretty good and im about to snort 2 5mg oxycodone capsules i had left over from my motorcycle accident they were for breakthrough pain and they are great to snort...they extracting does work but its a pain in the ass sometimes...my buddy tried it and then but the filtered liqiud in a bowl and put it over a pot of boiling water and dryed it to powder, so i guess ill try it sometime, its just fucking hassle ...i want that damn 3mg of dilauded every 4 hours they had me on in te hospital!!!

[sl33t]

what if you used the water to make, like Kool-aid?

[johanneschimpo]

^ that would, like totally work and make it taste better

[aberdeen516]

I had never even heard of CWE until becoming a member of this sight just months ago, and I have been into pills for many years. I mentioned it to a couple of my drug buddys and they have never heard of it either.

[yourolddad]

I sometimes swallow 5x 500/30 co codamols, so 2500mgs of paracetamol in there. I do this maybe 3 times a week to chill out and it really settles me down. Am I taking a risk with that amount of paracetamol all at once, it's just over half the daily maximum but is doing it all at once gonna fuck my liver up or something?

[johanneschimpo]

^ Over the long term its certainly not doing you any favors. It might not do a thing, or it might result in a fucked up liver 5, 10, 20 years from now. You only take 5 of the 30/500 pills now, but that could easily change to you taking much more than that if your tolerance rises (and trust me, opiate tolerance does rise, its just a matter of how fast and how much). At that point, the damage would increase.

If you're concerned, I recommend you do a mass CWE. It wouldn't be worth it to do it with just 5 pills (for the time is takes and the fact that you lose a small percent), but if you did it with a larger amount of pills, say 25 or 50, measured the liquid so you knew the potency (how many milligrams codeine per milliliter of water), and saved it for when you wanted to dose, not only would it be convenient, but it would help protect your liver from all the APAP in the pills.

[yourolddad]

Well how about this, since I am only using 5 of the pills, couldnt I just do one of those quick cwe's with the piece of cloth or paper or whatever? Even if it only caught half of the paracetamol, with just 5 pills that would be making it a safe level wouldnt it? Provided of course I never went over that number?

[wiggi]

^ If you are only using 5 pills then it should be safe to take them all without doing a CWE. Granted that you do not do this everyday nor drink after taking the pills.

[yourolddad]

about 3 times per week, just to relax at bedtime.

[dokomo]

^ If you are only using 5 pills then it should be safe to take them all without doing a CWE. Granted that you do not do this everyday nor drink after taking the pills.

Right, it is safe-ish but only if the guy never drinks, even if its a couple days after. Long term use of acetaminophen at those doses will really deplete glutathione levels

[wiggi]

^ I know, that's why I said it's safe if you don't do it frequently nor drink.

[yourolddad]

lucky if i drink more than once or twice a month, and never on the same day as pills. I know technically thats like 6 hours worth of pills all at once but can those few hours really make much difference?

[Mr Blonde]

^ I don't understand that question.

[yourolddad]

sorry, i am referring to the posts before that one, on the previous page m8 :)

[dokomo]

^ I know, that's why I said it's safe if you don't do it frequently nor drink.

Right, I wasn't trying to contradict you ;) just wanted to emphasize for the others that drinking at all while taking that much acetaminophen a week is bad, even if you havent taken pills in a few days.

[WatMyConditionIsIn]

i posted it before but ill post again goto heroinhelper.com and the second CWE which involves using a 10-50ml oral syringe is the BEST CWE ive encountered. a little more effort but removes most caffeine as well.

[Rosco2]

I've been having a little difficulty getting a hold of some LSD, so for my next drug experience, I decided to try some Percocets that I had left over from a 2-year-old bottle prescribed for an injury.

Let me tell ya, for newbieS even newbieR than me, use CWE (Cold Water Extraction). I decided not to use CWE for my first-ever opiate experience so I could get a baseline of what the experience was like without CWE. Not very pleasant, even though I only took 5 Percocets, which each contained 5 milligrams of oxycodone and 325 milligrams of APAP.

I suppose my long-enduring nausea and one-time vomit was due to the APAP, but I can't be certain since I understand that folks who smoke or shoot heroin do vomit, too.

Anyway, even 14 hours later I was feeling a little nauseated.

I did experience a rushing opiate euphoria while I was lying down in bed, stomach side up. I believe this happened an hour or two after I took the drug. The extreme euphoria only lasted a couple seconds, though--I think because as soon as I started feeling it, I instinctively got out of bed and started walking around--just in case. Unfortunately, when I got back in bed, the rush didn't return.

It was nice, but it can't match the euphoria and excitement from sex :-)

I may try it again--don't know. If I do try again, I'll definitely get the APAP out by using Cold Water Extraction.

How common is it to get a Percocet rush that lasts longer than 2 or 3 seconds? Is snorting or smoking heroin stronger than oxycodone, or does heroin just give you a longer lasting rush?

Since I couldn't get the opiate rush back, I decided to take 5 medium-sized gulps of beer to help potentiate it, but the beer didn't help bring back the rush. I only took 5 medium gulps because I read that's it's very dangerous to mix alcohol with opiates (even fatal). My one up-chuck happened not long after drinking the beer. (Two weeks ago, a 30-year-old lady I was dating drank a whole 16-ounce can of beer, but she only swallowed 2 Percocets with the beer--and may have had a tolerance.)

How long should I wait before trying Percocet again so the same 25 milligrams of oxycodone will provide the same effect, without tolerance? A month? A couple weeks? Two months?

One last concern is the walloping headache I got after I walked outside for a little bit a few hours after taking the drug. Can I also blame the headache on the APAP? I think this may have been a result of the oxycodone, but not sure.

Darn, the Feds are sneaky. I thought I'd be okay just taking 5 Percocets with just 1,625 mg of APAP, but even 5 Percs were too much. I think the cut-off to avoid nausea might be just 3 or 1,000 mg APAP.

Note to self: I read that 4,000 milligrams of APAP can cause liver damage, but don't even risk 3,000 mg.

[immortalprso]

hey guys, just a newbie after some info. i did a cwe on some co-codamol 8/500. i used 4pills just to try this out and got little from it. now is it just a dosage problem? if i use more will it be better and longer lasting?
also the gunk left behind was kind of doughy sorta like putty in consistancy. is this the way it should be after draining it or should i have done another cwe on it?

[The_Idler]

you can carefully squeeze out the rest of the water.

4 pills is a minuscule amount.

you seem to have done it right.

try 32.

[immortalprso]

^^^^^

cheers, i knew i had used little but being not sure that i was doing it right i didnt want to take the chance of wasting some by not doing it right.

[immortalprso]

i used 20 last night double filtered because the filter ripped and i used 200ml of water didnt feel anything.
what ami doing wrong? surley i should i got something from that?

[The_Idler]

wait you america?
did you say the coco are 5mg codeine?

100mg might not be noticeable.

UK we have 8/500 OTC which is the best to use.

32*8 = 256mg


less what you lose in the filter, which is more, proportionally, the less water you use.


200ml is a good amount.
try 200mg+ next time


if you only had 100mg, plus you filtered it twice, (double+ loss)
you probably lost a good proportion of that.


grind the pills well.
stir it and let it for 5mins to dissolve, stir and filter.

empty stomach.



oh yeah and some people are immune to codeine.
can't metabolize, enzyme deficiency, genetic trait, ~10% white males or something

[wiggi]

^ He said he had 8mg pills in a prior post, so I'm assuming he took 240mg instead of 100mg. I have only done a CWE twice on some AC&C pills imported from Canada by my ex girlfriend, I can't see how it's possible to fuck up a CWE. I was really messed up both times I did the CWE and I still got high, this was when I had a mild/minor tolerance. I'm guessing he is one of those people who cannot get high from codeine.

I know this is a little off topic but would OTC codeine products in Canada be illegal to import or possess in the United States? I'm guessing that it's illegal.

[The_Idler]

illegal
and 20*8 = 160mg (before losses)

[v4lium]

The tissue paper method does not work, of the many times I've tried it, it breaks, it's too weak... Coffee filters and T-shirts are the only way too go.

When people say use tissue paper, I wonder if they've actually ever done a CWE before, because shit, it doesn't work, plain and simple, I've tried it too many times. The shit either breaks or absorbs the water, useless, coffee filters are superior.

[The_Idler]

kitchen roll.
the good kind
2 or 3 sheets.
i have done it 100s of times.
i have done it bad kitchen roll, yes it breaks.

[immortalprso]

i guess codine is not for me, tried the 32*8 like you suggested and again didnt get much from it at all.

cheers for your help anyway guys.

[YingKing0203]

this method is all fine and well but im really into snorting oxycodone.im trying to get the oxy out of some percocet.is it possible to dry it to be able to snort or does it fuck it all up?

[pallidamors]

^If you don't use much water you may be able to blowdry away the excess water and be left with crystals, but I'd be careful about just boiling the water directly since it could destroy the oxy in there.

[YingKing0203]

that might work.eh.ill prolly just deal w/ drinking it

[pallidamors]

^That's the best way. Oxy is slightly better absorbed orally than nasally, and if you're dealing with an extraction, the water will help increase the absorption rate somewhat.

[Crankinit]

Ok kind of bizarre question, but has anyone tried plugging the codeine?

I enjoy the relaxed feeling, but it makes me really nauseous and for some reason my throat gets really sore on it, so I was thinking plugging might solve both of these problems.

Does it work? And how much would I want to adjust my dose, if at all, when doing it? I've tried drinking it a few times, usually extracting 200 - 300mg, found somewhere in the middle of that is the sweet spot for me.

[OntarioGuy]

^^^Just Do You're Regular CWE And Draw Up The Water With a Platic Tipped Syringe and Plug!Just be sure not to use a shitload of water.Last Time I Plugged I did About 400 mg's of CWE'd codeine with 6mg's of Hydromorphone mixed in for good measure(Had No Pins/Late At night/was Dopesick)...Saved my life!Also To the YingKing,You Can Dry off The Water And Have Powder left over..There Will be a little Acetaminophen in it..not nearly as much as it originally did but it should be snortable....especially if you filter it 3-4 times...but I find drying out to a powder is a waste,seems like you lose more then you would to just drink it......

[Crankinit]

I don't think we have any plastic syringes lying around, I've put together a device consisting of a funnel and an empty plastic tube from a pen. Will see how it works I guess :/ First time for everything haha!

[2muchpain]

as far as i know plugging codeine is a waste as this particular substance needs to be ingested and metabolized by enzymes in your digestive system to work properly. Hydrocodeine works plugged though.

[Crankinit]

Oh true? Yeah that's a good point, I forgot about that part.

maybe just drink it then. The whole process is so much effort anyway, just for getting high.