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I searched quite a bit for any useful info on this traditional Hopi divinatory tool.
I am very curious as the plant grows all over the place on the trails I ride, and near the river I flyfish. I can find no info other than this:
Mirabilis multiflora info
SO'KSI Mirabilis multiflora. Family Nyctaginaceae (Four-o'clock family).
Material: Root of magenta-flowered oerennial found at elevations of 2500-5600 ft. on hillsides amoung rocks and shrubs throughout Arizona, Utah, Colorado and northern Mexico.
Usage: Large root is chewed and juice is swallowed. Used by Hopi medicine men for diagnostic divination.
Active Constituents: Unidentified.
Effects: Hallucinogen.
Contraindictions: None known. Root of similar species M. jalapa (four-o'clocks) may posses similar activity, but is also powerful emetic.
Medicinal Uses
Disclaimer
Hallucinogenic; Poultice; Stomachic.
The root is used in the treatment of stomach complaints[192]. A pinch of the powdered root is said to relieve hunger[207], it can also be used after overeating to relieve the discomfort[257]. A poultice of the powdered root can be applied to swellings[257].
Large quantities of the root are said to cause intoxication[192]. The root was chewed by native North American Medicine men to induce visions whilst making a diagnosis[257].
Anyone know of any 1st person experience reports or hplc/gc-ms analysis?
Any idea on the active chemicals, or any risks of acute physical toxicity?
Erowid, lyceaum, and wikipedia have nothing.
AcidRain
24-01-2007, 00:43
according to this:
http://plants.nrcs.usda.gov/cgi_bin/plant_attribute.cgi?symbol=MIMU
toxicity: none
Palatable Human: Yes
Thanks for the link acidrain.
I am planning some "for science" bioassays later in the year with the identification and preperation assistance from a local hopi man. I want to find as much as I can about it before ingesting it.
Anyone have a copy of the Entheogen Review article??
General alcazar
24-01-2007, 08:00
It would actually be interesting. Mirabilis multiflora and also shanshi (Coriaria thymifolia) are easily available and have been for some time, but there are no reports on their effects anywhere. shanshi is a peruvian hallucinogenic plant btw. I've always felt that M. multiflora had some potential but always waited for other reports. I once tried a small amount of the root chewed fresh from a Colorado 4o'clock that I grew and the effects were subtle and difficult to expain. Certainly not strong. Never did try it again though I also plan to revisit this plant at some time in the future.
How much root did you chew??
psychedelicious
24-01-2007, 21:15
I've been interested in mirabilis multiflora for quite some time, but haven't found anything. That is awesome that you know a hopi man who will help out.
I will do a nice, in depth write up once the plant has been experienced at various doses and with a few other choice substances.
It is insane how little info there is on this one, isnt it.
General alcazar
25-01-2007, 03:29
About 2-3 grams wet.
was there any significant nausea at that dose?
General alcazar
25-01-2007, 06:56
not that I remember. Not much at all happened, but obviously didn't taste good.
i have dry root and extract that I will try out at some point. The plant I had was young when it died from being left out during a cold spell and I salvaged the root to use after that. The alkaloid content may have been low because it was immature.
psychedelicious
25-01-2007, 06:59
so true, there is next to nothing. i am far more interested in natural psychoactives than synthetics, so this is really exciting for me.
icancu2k
25-01-2007, 07:51
so true, there is next to nothing. i am far more interested in natural psychoactives than synthetics, so this is really exciting for me.
That's great; I'm similar, but unfortunately there's so much more readily available info with regards to synthetics. This really does sound interesting, especially because the parents have used it for years to calm stomachs after 'excess'!
That's great; I'm similar, but unfortunately there's so much more readily available info with regards to synthetics. This really does sound interesting, especially because the parents have used it for years to calm stomachs after 'excess'!
Do you have any useful insight as to the effects of larger doses after seing the parents using it??
Do they ever seem obviously intoxicated from the root alone?
Have you ever personally tried the root at ant dose?
Do your parents ever suffer any significant side effects?
Any other info you have would be greatly appreciated:)
It would actually be interesting. Mirabilis multiflora and also shanshi (Coriaria thymifolia) are easily available and have been for some time, but there are no reports on their effects anywhere. shanshi is a peruvian hallucinogenic plant btw. I've always felt that M. multiflora had some potential but always waited for other reports. I once tried a small amount of the root chewed fresh from a Colorado 4o'clock that I grew and the effects were subtle and difficult to expain. Certainly not strong. Never did try it again though I also plan to revisit this plant at some time in the future.
Some basic shansi info for you.
C. thymifolia. Also known as Shansi, this shrub is native to Peru and New Zealand. The fruit of this Andean shrub is ingestested for its intoxicating effects. Some of its active chemicals are: coriamyrtine, coriatine, tutine, and pseudotutine. Large doses of this plant can possibly cause stupor, coma and convulsions.
Coriaria is the sole genus in the family Coriariaceae. It includes about 30 species of subshrubs, shrubs and small trees, with a widespread but disjunct distribution across warm temperate regions of the world, occurring as far apart as the Mediterranean region, southern and eastern Asia, New Zealand, the Pacific Ocean islands, and Central and South America.
The leaves are opposite or in whorls, simple, 2-9 cm long, without stipules. The flowers are borne in racemes 2-30 cm long, each flower small, greenish, with five small petals. The fruit is a small and shiny black (occasionally yellow or red) berry-like swollen corolla, highly poisonous in several species, though those of C. terminalis are edible.
The Mediterranean species C. myrtifolia is known as Redoul, and the several New Zealand species are known by the Māori name of Tutu.
The South American species C. ruscifolia is an evergreen climber known as Deu or Huique, and its fruits are used in Southern Chile to make rat poison.
SHANSI -- _Coriaria thymifolia._ Family Coriariaceae.
Material: Purple berries of frond-like shrub found in Andes and
of similar species (_C. japonica,_ _C. muscifolia_).
Usage: Berries are eaten. Active substances also in leaves.
Active Constituents: Cathecholic compounds, sesquiterpenes:
coriamyrtine, coriatine, tutine, and pseudotutine.
Effects: Stimulation, hallucinations, and sensations of flight.
Contraindications: Little known about this substance. Some
tribes regard it as toxic. Large doses may cause stupor, coma,
convulsions.
icancu2k
25-01-2007, 23:21
Do you have any useful insight as to the effects of larger doses after seing the parents using it??
Do they ever seem obviously intoxicated from the root alone?
Have you ever personally tried the root at ant dose?
Do your parents ever suffer any significant side effects?
Any other info you have would be greatly appreciated:)
Firstly, no not at all; my parents are quite 'old-fashioned', probably quite a bit more so than the average person of their age. They use alcohol quite a bit, cannabis very rarely but they are very naive as to altered states. No noticeable side effects. It's also worth noting that they only used to suck/chew on a very small part. It seems that the use was advised during childhood by a grandparent, like an old-timers remedy.
General alcazar
26-01-2007, 02:42
Yes, I know what shanshi is egor, but I have not found one testimonial from anyone who has tried it (thanks for the info, though). It is available easily on the net in both raw and extracted form but no reports. I'll probably try it at some point, but it would be nice to know what to expect.
I have also searched in vain for at least 1 1st person report on either substance. I hate being the test subject;)
A friend of mine tried what we thought was a large dose of shansi resinous extract, but he noticed no effects.
^^What was the dose and concentration used??
Langevin
27-01-2007, 01:26
I too have been curious about this plant for a while. It is quite common in parts of the southwest and my last time through I dug up a couple. Unfortunately, I somehow managed to lose the roots while keeping the rest of the plant. Hmm...
I wonder about the effectiveness of the dried root material and extracts which are available on the net. Judging from the lack of reports I'm thinking the fresh root is probably the way to go if any effect is to be had.
It is like that with calamus root. It has to be relatively fresh for any strong effects to be had.
The plant is growing now, after the brutal fucking winter, so I will have some 1st person info in a few (>6) weeks once the plants flower.
nofx1422
04-04-2007, 10:07
I assume you dont have the species native to and that grows in NZ? I may try this variety sometime in the near future. Ill probably wait for you report to come in though ;)
Very interested in hearing of your experiences, egor!
how did it go?
root or extract?
effects?
Now you've gone and got me interested :D
I live in CA though, and it would appear that neither of these plants grow naturally here in socal.
I'll keep an eye out for these plants though anyway.
how did it go?
root or extract?
effects?
Unfortunately, I lost contact with my guide over the summer and I am out on my own with this one. I collected a good bit of fresh root and have it frozen, but havent gotten around to an assay just yet.
willow11
16-10-2007, 06:57
^Everyone I've spoken to has indicated the plant isn't all that good. Even extracted root, fresh root- not much effect has been noticed. Have you looked at Mirabilis jalpa- I hear an anecdotal report of a "guy" prepareing it (fresh_ for smoking; the plant secreted much juice/liquid and covered the guys hands- .i noticed a stimulation that lasted an hour or so i think,then i had visitors and i became quite befudled,everything was dificult.
the befudlement is what stopped me repeating the exp.have a vauge memory i may have moved my bowels a little eary on.
This one seems very touch and go.
^^from what I have read, mirabilis jalapa is a powerful emetic and to be avoided at all costs. Let me see if I can find some slightly more concise info:\
willow11
16-10-2007, 12:46
The story I quoted was mirabilis jalapa, multifolra and d.....? Cannot remember the name. Apparently multiflora and jalapa are commonly mixed up; still everything I've read seems to suggest the psychedelic effect is either fleeting, non-existent or negative. Still, have a try....
well here are all the mirabilis species:
Mirabilis elegans
Mirabilis jalapa
Mirabilis laevis (aka mirabilis californica)
Mirabilis longiflora
Mirabilis multiflora (aka Quamoclidion multiflorum)
Mirabilis viscosa
from what I read on the web (that is to say very little info), mirabilis multiflora (known as SO'KSI) is suggested as a possible hallucinogen, mirabilis jalapa is also possibly psychoactive but it is a powerful emetic.
Both can be easily acquired from plant nurseries (or harvested from garden plantations around), also there's a webshop selling M.multiflora extract (cheap)
So, here's come the doc, it was originally from 'legal highs' (txt file), but sightly reformulated by webshops to make it more appealing:
M.multiflora is a magenta-flowered perennial found at elevations of 2500-5000 ft on hillsides among rocks and shrubs throughout Arizona, Utah, Colorado, and northern Mexico.
Hopi shamans chew the root and swallow its juice to induce visionary trances for diagnostic divination. No known negative effects. The Hopis use the root for stomach ailments, but a Hopi `Medicine Man' uses a copious amount of so'ksi or so'kya by chewing the large root and swallowing the juice while making his diagnosis; this permits him to expel the evil spirits residing in the body of the sick person. Root of similar species Mirabilis jalapa (four- o'clocks) may possess similar activity, but it is also a powerful emetic.
Note that M. multiflora has 2-5 flowers per calyx, while M. jalapa has only one.
Important: note that there's no evidence of mirabilis species having any psychoactive activity, and I couldn't find any reliable source for the info (meaning that I couldn't find the original source for the info that was quoted in the 'legal highs' text file).
Willow 11, according to the quote you made, M.jalapa might be active transdermally (which is good, as avoiding oral use is probably best considering it's an emetic).
And the very good thing here is that swim has a mirabilis jalapa plant in his garden, and will possibly be acquiring a mirabilis multiflora plant from a nursery this weekend
...swim enjoys growing plants, if mirabilis spp. grow fast enough to be harvested soon, then swim might give these a try. If so, swim will report, of course.
Got bored and chewed about 3g of root to no effect. May try more later in the week.
PsyGhost
13-11-2007, 02:59
In the literature I have it says a dose of 28-57g of root, either chewed or pressed into a juice and drank, causes a "half hour of gaiety."
Also, the Zuni Indians bake a bread using flour made from the root and use it as an appetite suppressant.
It would seem you need to up the dose egor!
^^better safe than sorry with so little to go on:\
6g chewed root produced no effects, will have to up it to 10 next week...
psychedelicious
28-02-2008, 20:43
The suspense! Egor, are you chewing the root you had frozen last year, or fresh root? If frozen root, are you letting it thaw before eating it?
^^Yeah, I thaw it, I dont think chewing it frozen would work to well.
savingJenniB
01-03-2008, 21:58
Mirabilis multiflora & M. califorica grow abundantly all over southern California. The large root remains underground and shows itself in the summertime when is grows quite rapidly. Flowers open in the afternoon and stay open until dusk. =D
Thawed and pulverised 20g today and will allow to soak in denatured water for a few days, filter, chug and see what happens. An IPA resin will be my next attempt., possibly followed by an everclear tincture. Got to get some me idea of the substances involved to propperly extract them, and just possibly remove at least some of the emetic...
If these trials fail, I'll have to put some actual work into it.
Will be collecting fresh specimens in the not too distant future too;)
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