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Does anyone know if there is a way to crush them or snort them without them turning into gel. I don't think you can but you never know. the 80's say G 164 and are
round and are beige/pink and have some 40's to. Any words would be helpful
pokergooch
24-01-2007, 05:42
Brand name wont gel.....I believe you have generics. Best to take them as directed.
TokinDerrick
24-01-2007, 05:43
http://www.pharmer.org/files/images/Picture%20057.jpg
I've never seen these oxy's, but it is a legit oxy.
there is no way to get them from gelling up, but you can crush, and parachute them in order to get them down crushed up. or you can just snort and then try to snort up some water too to wash it down your nose. thats what I've done with the old Tevas.
Sportfisher39
24-01-2007, 06:39
Darva is the generic name for those worthless things..I got a script 2 weeks ago of those in 20s and man it sucked. today I was getting depressed today when getting a refill because everyone around here is switching to those. Endo's are gone and now these are even worse. So to make me HAPPY I SPENT the extra 60 bucks to get the real ones. MAN MY NOSE was the happiest it's ever been in the last 6 months..
zzITCHY420zz
24-01-2007, 07:24
teva's are pretty cool. if u can get a typical pipe screen, u can sift the hard peices of dry wax and let the active powder fall through (by making some form of strainer with a pen with the screen, etc)
Does anyone ever get more than 1 or 2 of these? If you have a number, you could extract the oxycodone very efficiently and make the cinnamyl ester (118x stronger).
donkeyPUNCH
24-01-2007, 12:34
the G 164 ones i used to get all the time, I think my source has a different brand now though, but im not sure Ive still been seeing them sometimes. I have never had a problem snorting them either, maybe some new formulation?
johnnyb420
24-01-2007, 13:40
Does anyone ever get more than 1 or 2 of these? If you have a number, you could extract the oxycodone very efficiently and make the cinnamyl ester (118x stronger).
what the fuck are you talking about ?????118 times??? got a link for that???
Have you got access to chemical abstracts? The 14-cinnamyl ester is discussed under 'Esters of the 14-hydroxy morphones.' It comes as a PDF so I can't Email/post it & I'm not typing in a 18 page document! Try examining the moleculein 3D, overlaying the etorphine skeleton. Oh, difficult to make the 14-cinnamyl of oxymorphone because the 3 position needs protecting/deprotecting.
donkeyPUNCH
24-01-2007, 14:00
god damn chemists.... always with their 13-dioxymethl this and 4-methylethers and whatnot...
johnnyb420
24-01-2007, 15:27
Have you got access to chemical abstracts? The 14-cinnamyl ester is discussed under 'Esters of the 14-hydroxy morphones.' It comes as a PDF so I can't Email/post it & I'm not typing in a 18 page document! Try examining the moleculein 3D, overlaying the etorphine skeleton. Oh, difficult to make the 14-cinnamyl of oxymorphone because the 3 position needs protecting/deprotecting.
i have read some of that info lets just say it is not easy or basic in fact it is very advanced if even possible if it was chemists would do it and it would be available and very popular
^exactly.
these are the global pharms/impax labs generic oxycontins.....they are the worst OCs made along with the TEVAs as these gel up like no other....
i had some 20s not too long ago and tried snorting one....worthless it instantly clogged my nose and provided little effect.
the very VERY best way to ingest these is to go 4-5 hours with no food/only water, then completely crush and parachute(take the powder orally).....it will hit u like a load of bricks in 20 minutes.
Why tho to they turn into gel, and don't they turn into gel if you crush them.
so you can shot them at all I guess the liquid must activate the gel affect and just don't understand why you can parachute them without a problem.
I can use a screen to brake them up I thought that any crushing or anything will
ruin the pill . Help thank you also have G 163 and G164. Thank you for your info guys much needed
If someone could pm me for info on step tp step on how to brake them up it would be very helpful. not feelin to good now
Why tho to they turn into gel, and don't they turn into gel if you crush them.
so you can shot them at all I guess the liquid must activate the gel affect and just don't understand why you can parachute them without a problem.
I can use a screen to brake them up I thought that any crushing or anything will
ruin the pill . Help thank you also have G 163 and G164. Thank you for your info guys much needed
TokinDerrick
24-01-2007, 20:45
Why tho to they turn into gel, and don't they turn into gel if you crush them.
so you can shot them at all I guess the liquid must activate the gel affect and just don't understand why you can parachute them without a problem.
I can use a screen to brake them up I thought that any crushing or anything will
ruin the pill . Help thank you also have G 163 and G164. Thank you for your info guys much needed
parachuting the pill won't ruin it because it'll be inside something (I use rolling papers and make a little pouch out of it, when I"m done it looks like your cartoon bombs (circle bomb with a fuse out of the top).
and you can crush those without ruining it. you just need to do exactly as the word describes....crush it, with anything.
Can I put it in water and let it melt and then shoot it
So I can just put it in a paper and crush it and all is good it just has to be in something
not just on the table.
sixpartseven
24-01-2007, 21:56
Can I put it in water and let it melt and then shoot it
no, no and, NO!
gel (in any pill for that matter) = DO NOT SHOOT unless you know exactly what you are doing and can filter it properly.
so, in other words, NO!
johnnyb420
24-01-2007, 22:26
So I can just put it in a paper and crush it and all is good it just has to be in something
not just on the table.
what part of crush are you not understanding?????take a heavy object and smash them into powder then eat the powder they will still gel up in your stomach but you have acid that will break them down.
do not try to shoot these it will not work without an extraction and i think that is way over your head if you are having trouble crushing them
yea dude just crush it up into a fine powder(also wipe off the outside coating with a wet paper towel before this), and then place desired amount of powder into a rolling paper, fold and twist; then swallow.
i have read some of that info lets just say it is not easy or basic in fact it is very afvenced if even possible if it was not chenists (sic) would do it and it would be available
So, adding cinnamyl chloride to oxycodone with a pyridine buffer is DIFFICULT? No, there are numerous strong opiates that are easy to make but not seen except in pills. Why doesn't anyone convert morphine to oxymorphone (this is kitchen sink stuff)? Because everyone is too busy shoving it into veins. SWIM DIYs oxycodone from codeine, but he's not a 'gangsta'. Your average 'gangsta' just sees money. If the value of opiates collapses, so does their profit margin. I mean, look at MDMA, in 1990 it was 15 quid a pill in the UK, now it's 2. People are getting OUT of that game because all the money has gone. Supply and demand means that you will get the drugs you deserve.
Generally, non-addictive drugs are MUCH cheaper than addictive ones because the user can take or leave them. Opiates are a great idea. Get people hooked and they will do almost anything to pay the price you control. Hydromorphone is SO easy to make from morphine that it could easily be done in the fields of Afganestan, but who wants to make the price collapse?
Parachuting works well to avoid the time release. but they plug your sinuses if you try to insnufflate them.
DO NOT TRY TO IV THE FUCKING THINGS.
So, adding cinnamyl chloride to oxycodone with a pyridine buffer is DIFFICULT? No, there are numerous strong opiates that are easy to make but not seen except in pills. Why doesn't anyone convert morphine to oxymorphone (this is kitchen sink stuff)? Because everyone is too busy shoving it into veins. SWIM DIYs oxycodone from codeine, but he's not a 'gangsta'. Your average 'gangsta' just sees money. If the value of opiates collapses, so does their profit margin. I mean, look at MDMA, in 1990 it was 15 quid a pill in the UK, now it's 2. People are getting OUT of that game because all the money has gone. Supply and demand means that you will get the drugs you deserve.
Generally, non-addictive drugs are MUCH cheaper than addictive ones because the user can take or leave them. Opiates are a great idea. Get people hooked and they will do almost anything to pay the price you control. Hydromorphone is SO easy to make from morphine that it could easily be done in the fields of Afganestan, but who wants to make the price collapse?
this is not true.
i do understand what u are trying to say, but there is many more reasons u dont see oxymorphone on the street and people dont make hydrmorphone instead of heroin from morphine.....i dont care what u say, its not as easy as what u posted.
btw, people wouldnt make oxymorphone from oxycodone because oxycodone is such a hard "precursor" to obtain and is already recreational and valuable on its own...see, just another factor u are leaving out.
dont take it personally but i just think its a little far fetched for someone to turn oxycodone into oxymorphone, etc, etc, etc...
also im sure u have to clean ur product after the reactions, what kinda shit is that gonna require? u cant just shoot up the unfinished product it would probally cause alot of damage
I can't post routes but I can say 'German Patent 617,238'. For a patent concerning all the credits, references, introduction, examples and conclusion, the whole thing fits on one page. The bit you need fits in 1 sentence.
Which word is hard? I must be missing something here...
johnnyb420
25-01-2007, 04:01
all i am asking for is a link to something that backs up your claim that it is easy to take oxycodone and turn it into something 118 times stronger i looked up that patent but i dont speak or read german and it was a lot more tha one page
Sportfisher39
25-01-2007, 05:24
Next time make it real easy... Just get your script somewhere else and avoid the hole fuckin problem.. I used a pill crusher and dam near striped the the fuckin threads with these things. This week made dam sure I wasn't buying those again
temporary error
25-01-2007, 05:53
Do a google groups search for "pill crisping" + mobius dick
A poster there has figured out and outlined a technique for making gelatinous pills easily snorted/shot.
Thanks for all the replys. I guess im going to just shoot the things up. hahahah
not reaaly just going to parachute.... thanks for info
TokinDerrick
25-01-2007, 08:52
if you don't have rolling papers, you can use a piece of napkin (this is how it was explained to me) but I think that would break up in your mouth, rolling papers are more sturdy.
all i am asking for is a link to something that backs up your claim that it is easy to take oxycodone and turn it into something 118 times stronger i looked up that patent but i dont speak or read german and it was a lot more tha one page
The patent I posted was the morphine to hydromorphone patent. You can run it through a translation software. I can't post it here, but it IS all over the net in English (wonder how it got there ;-)
The oxycodone->cinnamyl ester isn't a patent, it's in chemical abstracts in English.
Has anyone used the pill crisping idea with the G164, also are those ms contin
or whar are ms contin. These are the only ones Im having trouble with. Just don't know if the impax G 164 are ms contin or what
I guess the ms contin are 100 AND 200MG but do they gel up like the impax oxys?
Trying learn as much as I can would like to use then get rid of. More bang for your buck ya know.
donkeyPUNCH
25-01-2007, 23:07
^ no, the g 164 pink/beige pills are OC80s but generic. ms contin are morphine sulphate and yes MScontin gels up like no other.
Im just trying a way to snort or minline them because I heard they gel up. and don't want to waste pills trying.
I've read the (pill crisping+mobius dick) and don't understand some of it if you could help me please let me know
pokergooch
26-01-2007, 03:46
So, adding cinnamyl chloride to oxycodone with a pyridine buffer is DIFFICULT? No, there are numerous strong opiates that are easy to make but not seen except in pills. Why doesn't anyone convert morphine to oxymorphone (this is kitchen sink stuff)? Because everyone is too busy shoving it into veins. SWIM DIYs oxycodone from codeine, but he's not a 'gangsta'. Your average 'gangsta' just sees money. If the value of opiates collapses, so does their profit margin. I mean, look at MDMA, in 1990 it was 15 quid a pill in the UK, now it's 2. People are getting OUT of that game because all the money has gone. Supply and demand means that you will get the drugs you deserve.
Generally, non-addictive drugs are MUCH cheaper than addictive ones because the user can take or leave them. Opiates are a great idea. Get people hooked and they will do almost anything to pay the price you control. Hydromorphone is SO easy to make from morphine that it could easily be done in the fields of Afganestan, but who wants to make the price collapse?
Im no chemist, but, I believe that codeine is an alkaloid, just like morphine is. Thebaine is what they make oxy and buph out of. oxycodone can be made into oxymorphone, and hydrocodone (which is a product of codeine, I think) can be made into hydromorphone. I dont think that you can make morphine out of oxycodone since the "magic" is Thebaine. I believe that the only wat to get morphine is out of a morphine based drug. Hydrocodone, Oxycodone are semi-synthetic whereas codeine and morphine are 100 percent natural. I may be wrong. but I think im close..
PG
TokinDerrick
26-01-2007, 05:42
and dude, please get all your posts into one post. if you think of something later, click "edit" and add it to it.
zekethemusicman
26-01-2007, 21:11
microwave it for 25 seconds. This draws the moisture out of the shit that gels up. Also works for the purple ms contin 30mg.
I get these alot...they are hard to crush but they do. And it works. Shaving is hard tho.
TokinDerrick
26-01-2007, 21:50
are you serious? if you do that, it won't gel up when one snorts them? like, I could do this with a Teva and snort it just fine?
Alternity
26-01-2007, 22:38
No offense, but it seems as tho nobody here knows what they're talking about. Next to the ABG's, the G 164's are by far my favorite generic. They crush up into a 100% fine powder (No chuncks like the TEVA ones) which you can snort just like the regular OC's. I just snorted half a G 164 (u hafta take the red shit off of course) and i'm EXACTLY as high as if I snorted a brand name OC 40. Don't tell him to parachute them, that's a huge waste of OC!
sixpartseven
26-01-2007, 23:52
Thanks for all the replys. I guess im going to just shoot the things up. hahahah
not reaaly just going to parachute.... thanks for info
Why ask questions if youre not going to listen to the answers.
Dont shoot these up if you dont have the materials/skill to filter them properly.
Its nothing like prepping a brand name OC or heroin for IV. You need a lot more. Dont do it unless you want to fuck your body up.
EDIT - sorry, i just realized you were joking. my apologies. Im not going to erase what I said though because it is important for people who dont already know to read that.
smokeymcpot42088
27-01-2007, 00:04
this thread has spun off topic in the most interesting of ways.
The patent I posted was the morphine to hydromorphone patent. You can run it through a translation software. I can't post it here, but it IS all over the net in English
The oxycodone->cinnamyl ester isn't a patent, it's in chemical abstracts in English.
Thank you for the chemistry/german history lesson. This guy is not full of shit people. However it is hard to believe its that easy?
please continue if you have more to share about this cinnamyl ester nonsense.....
Im no chemist, but, I believe that codeine is an alkaloid, just like morphine is. Thebaine is what they make oxy and buph out of. oxycodone can be made into oxymorphone, and hydrocodone (which is a product of codeine, I think) can be made into hydromorphone. I dont think that you can make morphine out of oxycodone since the "magic" is Thebaine. I believe that the only wat to get morphine is out of a morphine based drug. Hydrocodone, Oxycodone are semi-synthetic whereas codeine and morphine are 100 percent natural. I may be wrong. but I think im close..
PG
I never said you could. You can make hydrocodone from codeine. You can hydromorphone from morphine (both easily). The oxycodone cinnamyl ester is something I would make from oxycodone. Yes, you CAN make oxycodone from codeine, but the yields are pitiful. I think 30% is about the max and it's a bitch seperating out the product from the side-products. If you have dihydrocodeine, dihydromorphine is easy but codeine->morphine is a pain in the arse. That 7-8 double-bond means that in hot,acidic conditions, the stuff undergoes the apomorphine rearrangement and turns your product to crap.
pokergooch
27-01-2007, 05:15
I never said you could. You can make hydrocodone from codeine. You can hydromorphone from morphine (both easily). The oxycodone cinnamyl ester is something I would make from oxycodone. Yes, you CAN make oxycodone from codeine, but the yields are pitiful. I think 30% is about the max and it's a bitch seperating out the product from the side-products. If you have dihydrocodeine, dihydromorphine is easy but codeine->morphine is a pain in the arse. That 7-8 double-bond means that in hot,acidic conditions, the stuff undergoes the apomorphine rearrangement and turns your product to crap.
Like I said, Im no way even close to being a chemist, but, the little I do know is that the pre-curser for oxycodone is Thebaine. Thebaine is an alkaloid just like morphine is. The only thing I can think of is that they put a little morphine in oxycodone, ect. Ill ask my pharmacist later next week. So, since buphenerine is made out of TheBaine, can you get morphine out of it as well? Ive always thought that morphine is a true opioid alkaloid, just like codeine. There are about 15 or so alkaloids too. Unless they actually put morphine in oxycodone, I just dont see how you can get morphine out of it. I dont want to sound negative, because most likely you are correct. Im always interested in learning this stuff...
Also, I thought hydromorphone was a derivitive of hydrocodone. Im totally guessing at this, but since oxycodone can become oxymorphone, ive always assumed that it was the same for hydrocodone and hydromorphone..
PG
I tried the id ea to put the G 164 in the micro and for about 30 or so sec. After I scraped the outside off. Then I used a scraper that you would put around a pipe (u know what I'm talking about) and worked great then with the pieces that were to big pushed to the sides and smashed even more, which seened like the stuff you want out of the pill. SNORTED it and worked great. I think Im going to find a way to bang them and I think this will work for that. Thanks guys for your help. A+++
Alternity
27-01-2007, 09:16
You don't need to scrape the outside off. Just take a moist Q-Tip and the red coloring rubs right off without dissolving ANY of the actual pill. It takes like 2 minutes to wipe clean a G 164 with moist Q-Tips. Use a paper towel or the dry end of the Q-Tip to dry the pill as it gets a bit slimy while the "coating" comes right off. You scrape brand name OCs and ABGs, you wipe 93 33s and G 164s. Don't crush em with the red coating on em, it's a pain to deal with IMO.
If you're dealing with pills that gel up and you plan to take them orally go with the patented spicybrown(tm) method. Put them in an acidic substance for roughly 4-6 hours to recreate the environment of the stomach, then the time release will be broken. Swallow and enjoy.
On the other hand, If you want to IV or snort, that's a little more complicated, but with oxy you might as well just take it orally.
I just did G164 and wiped the coating off with a paper towel next time I will do it with a q-tip because it didi get a little slimy then I put it in the microwave for 3o seconds and the scraped it to powder and pulled the bigger chunks to the side to crush up even more. Then I snorted it and it didn't gel up at all just made sure i snorted it really hard to get it up there. It worked awesome. so all you people that say you can't snort them you are wrong just would make sure your nose is dry before you do it . if anyone has any ideas on how to mainline them without it gelling up please let me know. with out doing all the scientific method. peace out. Great generic pils by the way
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