fastandbulbous
03-02-2007, 11:42
I've decided to put a few of my initial impressions of this 'designer stimulant' into the written word form just in case (as I seriously expect) it becomes 'the next big thing' among stimulants, much like what happened with the appearance of MDPV.
My first encounter of this substance was that it looked pretty much like any other drug - a fluffy white powder with no real distinguishing smell.
Anyway, measured out 10mg as that seemed like a reasonmable dose going by the drug it's derived from, pipradrol (which has a clinocal dose of 2mg , but requires 5-10 mg to start being really enjoyable). Dissolved it in water and administered it rectally. I've taken to using this route for first times as if you suddenly thin, fuck I've taken too much, you can eject it from your body pretty quickly. Vomiting isn't alays that easy in a panicky state.
Anyway afte that I went into my home town to get the usual things we've run out of (milk & cat food, always bloody cat food!) and go to the Post Office to pay a bill. After standing in a huge que at the post office, I started heading to the other end of town to get the shopping, but as I'm walking doen the street I notice I seem to be walking faster than everybody else. 'Oh yes, the drug' I thought, but while all of the recognisanle mental effects were present, my body was giving absolutely no feedback signs indicating a stimulant. Walkied a few minutes more and I'm grinning to myself lika a village idiot as all I'm thinking about is a scene from Blackadder the first that relates to how I feel at the moment (the scene where Blacjadder is walking through the town, peasants come up doffing their cap with a' good morning lord Blackadder' with a reply, 'good morning peasant' followed by a slep to the side of the peasant''s head!). I'm really starting to enjoy this!
Went arond Tescos in a very good mood, simging songs to myself in a less than quiet voice. The checkout had a big que, but unlike when I've had speed and stand there muttering 'fuckin' HURRY UP', I'm happily just standing awaiting my turn. This was the first sign that it was something beyond your normal edgy stimulant. Walking back home, it was almost a state of enjoyable megalomania; I remember thinking,'this is the sort of state that makes you decide to invade Poland!' while striding past snails pace local folk. I put the rest of that dose to good use, collecting up clothers & stcking them in the washing machine, dong other household chores and all in very good spirits.
The second time was going to a friends birthday party. Had another 10mg via rectal route only this time in the company of friends I;m going into babble hyperdrive, a stream of bizzare observations streaming from me that seems to be entertaining the friends standing with me. At this point I did something that I should be given a good slap for doing with an experimental drug, I offered it around for people to try. (I'm normally much more reserved & cautious with relativcely unknown compounds). Everyone I asked just took one look at the grinning ,babbling hippie offering them some weird stuff and said,'hell yes'. Desoxypipradrol does nothing for me sexually other than skightly increasing my kibido at higher (eg 20mg) doses, nor did it do much for other male frinds. but female friends seem to have a certain recognizable stance & gleam in their eye (they later confirmed that most had some degree of libido stimulating effects).
Anyway, I'd done a bit of checking and could find no evidence of MAO inhibition even though I was pretty certain it just didn;t have the right structure to inhibit that particular enzyme - better safe than sorry though) so when the birthday boy starts dishing out 2C-B, it's party time. the 2C-B felt really nice on top of the desoxypipradrol (I don't normally rate 2C-B that much as I like psychedelics to really radically alter my point of perspective) so the night turned out to be one of the best in a long while. Much later when most people had either left or gone to sleep, the 6 other people I'd offered the desoxypipradrol to were all still wide awake and chatting in the kitchen. i asked if anybody wanted another dose (unanimous yes) then someone produced some 2C-D and suggested snorting some. I took my dose and went to the bathroom to administer rectally (I don't snort anything due to having very sensitive sinuses that get infected at the slightes excuse) When I re-entered the kitchen, people were already falling on the floor in fits of laughter and it wasn't long before I was chortling along with everuone else, the it happened... the woman standing next to me (Kat, who Ive known for a few years) started laughing so badly that she puked - yes laughed so much she puked. After a moment of shock we all fell about clutching our sides. it seems that desoxypipradrol mixes with psychedelics far better than any stimulant I've ever had, probably because of the total lack of physical signs of activity (the physical side of most stimulants don't mix well with psychedelics and leave me - and most people IME - feeling edgy). The whole night went better than could have ever been expected.
I've had differing doses via different routes of administration (the most extreme being 20mg via IM route - extremely intense, but still enjoyable) and desoxypipradrol is possibly one of the most physically benign stimulants I've ever had & in my time I've had a very wide variety of the weird and the wonderful!). My only complaint and that's too strong a word really, is it's duration; 10 mg can lead to 16 hours of stimulation, but as it has no physically fatiguing side, it's not that bothersome.
Anybody who uses stimulants for the mood lift and for getting work done etc will most probably love this drug as it gives a high degree of focus when required. Speedfreaks on the other hand, might not as the lack of physical signs of activity means that even the 20mg IM produced no decernable 'rush', just a rapid onset of clarity of thought followed by elavated mood and speedfreaks seem to be all about the rush from their favourite drug. Some people who've had 4-methylaminorex have given very good comparisons of the two.
So I'd say watch the skies (& screens) for the coming of this compound. It's not controlled (in the UK at least) or appear in any legislation so if it doesn't become a popular chemical in general or more specifically on the RC market.scene, I will be utterly gobsmacked with surprise
It is a stimulant that Shulgin said to watch for in the article/paper 'Future drugs of abuse'. Now I know why!
f&b
Additional note - desoxypipradrol seemed the logical name seeing it's the drug pipradrol minus an oxygen atom; much in the way methamphetamine used to be called desoxyephedrine. The chemical name is 2-(alpha,alpha-diphenylmethyl)piperidine hydrochloride
One last thing - a big thank you to the person that made all this possible - I can't say who (for obvious reasons) but you know who you are...
substancecode_desoxypipradrol
My first encounter of this substance was that it looked pretty much like any other drug - a fluffy white powder with no real distinguishing smell.
Anyway, measured out 10mg as that seemed like a reasonmable dose going by the drug it's derived from, pipradrol (which has a clinocal dose of 2mg , but requires 5-10 mg to start being really enjoyable). Dissolved it in water and administered it rectally. I've taken to using this route for first times as if you suddenly thin, fuck I've taken too much, you can eject it from your body pretty quickly. Vomiting isn't alays that easy in a panicky state.
Anyway afte that I went into my home town to get the usual things we've run out of (milk & cat food, always bloody cat food!) and go to the Post Office to pay a bill. After standing in a huge que at the post office, I started heading to the other end of town to get the shopping, but as I'm walking doen the street I notice I seem to be walking faster than everybody else. 'Oh yes, the drug' I thought, but while all of the recognisanle mental effects were present, my body was giving absolutely no feedback signs indicating a stimulant. Walkied a few minutes more and I'm grinning to myself lika a village idiot as all I'm thinking about is a scene from Blackadder the first that relates to how I feel at the moment (the scene where Blacjadder is walking through the town, peasants come up doffing their cap with a' good morning lord Blackadder' with a reply, 'good morning peasant' followed by a slep to the side of the peasant''s head!). I'm really starting to enjoy this!
Went arond Tescos in a very good mood, simging songs to myself in a less than quiet voice. The checkout had a big que, but unlike when I've had speed and stand there muttering 'fuckin' HURRY UP', I'm happily just standing awaiting my turn. This was the first sign that it was something beyond your normal edgy stimulant. Walking back home, it was almost a state of enjoyable megalomania; I remember thinking,'this is the sort of state that makes you decide to invade Poland!' while striding past snails pace local folk. I put the rest of that dose to good use, collecting up clothers & stcking them in the washing machine, dong other household chores and all in very good spirits.
The second time was going to a friends birthday party. Had another 10mg via rectal route only this time in the company of friends I;m going into babble hyperdrive, a stream of bizzare observations streaming from me that seems to be entertaining the friends standing with me. At this point I did something that I should be given a good slap for doing with an experimental drug, I offered it around for people to try. (I'm normally much more reserved & cautious with relativcely unknown compounds). Everyone I asked just took one look at the grinning ,babbling hippie offering them some weird stuff and said,'hell yes'. Desoxypipradrol does nothing for me sexually other than skightly increasing my kibido at higher (eg 20mg) doses, nor did it do much for other male frinds. but female friends seem to have a certain recognizable stance & gleam in their eye (they later confirmed that most had some degree of libido stimulating effects).
Anyway, I'd done a bit of checking and could find no evidence of MAO inhibition even though I was pretty certain it just didn;t have the right structure to inhibit that particular enzyme - better safe than sorry though) so when the birthday boy starts dishing out 2C-B, it's party time. the 2C-B felt really nice on top of the desoxypipradrol (I don't normally rate 2C-B that much as I like psychedelics to really radically alter my point of perspective) so the night turned out to be one of the best in a long while. Much later when most people had either left or gone to sleep, the 6 other people I'd offered the desoxypipradrol to were all still wide awake and chatting in the kitchen. i asked if anybody wanted another dose (unanimous yes) then someone produced some 2C-D and suggested snorting some. I took my dose and went to the bathroom to administer rectally (I don't snort anything due to having very sensitive sinuses that get infected at the slightes excuse) When I re-entered the kitchen, people were already falling on the floor in fits of laughter and it wasn't long before I was chortling along with everuone else, the it happened... the woman standing next to me (Kat, who Ive known for a few years) started laughing so badly that she puked - yes laughed so much she puked. After a moment of shock we all fell about clutching our sides. it seems that desoxypipradrol mixes with psychedelics far better than any stimulant I've ever had, probably because of the total lack of physical signs of activity (the physical side of most stimulants don't mix well with psychedelics and leave me - and most people IME - feeling edgy). The whole night went better than could have ever been expected.
I've had differing doses via different routes of administration (the most extreme being 20mg via IM route - extremely intense, but still enjoyable) and desoxypipradrol is possibly one of the most physically benign stimulants I've ever had & in my time I've had a very wide variety of the weird and the wonderful!). My only complaint and that's too strong a word really, is it's duration; 10 mg can lead to 16 hours of stimulation, but as it has no physically fatiguing side, it's not that bothersome.
Anybody who uses stimulants for the mood lift and for getting work done etc will most probably love this drug as it gives a high degree of focus when required. Speedfreaks on the other hand, might not as the lack of physical signs of activity means that even the 20mg IM produced no decernable 'rush', just a rapid onset of clarity of thought followed by elavated mood and speedfreaks seem to be all about the rush from their favourite drug. Some people who've had 4-methylaminorex have given very good comparisons of the two.
So I'd say watch the skies (& screens) for the coming of this compound. It's not controlled (in the UK at least) or appear in any legislation so if it doesn't become a popular chemical in general or more specifically on the RC market.scene, I will be utterly gobsmacked with surprise
It is a stimulant that Shulgin said to watch for in the article/paper 'Future drugs of abuse'. Now I know why!
f&b
Additional note - desoxypipradrol seemed the logical name seeing it's the drug pipradrol minus an oxygen atom; much in the way methamphetamine used to be called desoxyephedrine. The chemical name is 2-(alpha,alpha-diphenylmethyl)piperidine hydrochloride
One last thing - a big thank you to the person that made all this possible - I can't say who (for obvious reasons) but you know who you are...
substancecode_desoxypipradrol