Herb from the 60s, 70s, and 80s vs Today's herb?

[DrunkardsDream]

Is it true that herb from the 90s through today is stronger, better grown, and gives a more intense high than the herb of the 60s, 70s, and early 80s which was (from what I've been told by old heads) grown in Mexico, Colombia, and was basically comparable to what we would call mids or schwag today?

I understand that marijuana is a plant and that things do not change that much from it. I'm not saying that today's chronic is a completely different drug like I've read in anti pot propaganda I've just been told by old heads that today's herb has more THC and is stronger than the herb that they smoked back in the day, I'm just wondering if this is true or if they just got crappy herb back then?

[TouchN' Stuff Blvd]

My dad smoked what was good weed in the 60s, and admits that the stuff today I more powerful then the best stuff from those times. When I smoked some sour D with him the first thing he said was "my god this tastes just like hash." Still, some of the claims you will hear about the weed being 40x or 1oox stronger are obviously exaggerated, growers haven't found a way to get hash to grow on bushes...

[Sega420]

OP, you will LOVE this link -

Vintage Cannabis Photography (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=135579)


truly an insight into out older generations counter culture :P

[hobhead]

what passed for weed in the sixties and seventies was sticks, stems, leaves and the odd bud smashed up in the 'brick' . i have seen birdshot in the compressed swag to make weight in swag 'bricks'. that was in san francisco's height / asbury district .

even through that crap was so common back then, some old strains like panama red, michoachan and so forth were on the streets as well. cut to shit with ditch weed though .
those old strains were the basis of todays chronic . the consumer is better informed and ditch weed is an artifact now.

[Outta Pocket]

The thread Sega posted is indeed awesome.

I really do believe that shit like Acapulco Gold and Panama Red were really strong although they may have looked not so great. A lot of amazing exotic sativas back there, probably moreso than today. More growers switched to indica or crosses b/c less time to harvest.

Old-timers talk about Maui Wowie and the other shit, but I guess most people smoked what passes for mids today in really cheap lids.

[Sega420]

what passed for weed in the sixties and seventies was sticks, stems, leaves and the odd bud smashed up in the 'brick' . i have seen birdshot in the compressed swag to make weight in swag 'bricks'. that was in san francisco's height / asbury district .




see my link.

all the good stuff was kept by the people who took the time and effort to grow it.

[beamish]

todays herb is better on the grand scale because of advances in indoor cultivation, and wide availability of knowledge. but the connoisseur shit is still the same. i knew a 40 something year old who didnt smoke weed anymore, but he saw some dank nugs i had, and laughed at them saying he grew way danker shit back in the day.

[slimvictor]

I got Mexican schwag in the 1980's, and it got me high, but from 2000 -2008 I got Oregon homegrown, and it was much, much, MUCH better.

[BrutalRollar]

I heard the joints they smoked back then were HUGE because of how shitty the weed was, my mom says the smaller joints today are WAY more potent then the ones back then.

[AfterGlow]

In general, the green stuff we smoked way back in the 70s was much weaker. A bunch of us would pool our money, buy a 4 finger baggy for $40 and smoke the entire thing in an evening with multiple bowls and fatties being passed around all at once.

But once in a while the good stuff would come around... Colombian, Gold, Hawaiian, Panamanian, even good Mexican. It was about as potent as much of today's good weed.

If anything, it might be good that the weed is stronger these days. You don't have to smoke as much and your lungs are exposed to less smoke.

[killo]

Is it true that herb from the 90s through today is stronger, better grown, and gives a more intense high than the herb of the 60s, 70s, and early 80s which was (from what I've been told by old heads) grown in Mexico, Colombia, and was basically comparable to what we would call mids or schwag today?

I understand that marijuana is a plant and that things do not change that much from it. I'm not saying that today's chronic is a completely different drug like I've read in anti pot propaganda I've just been told by old heads that today's herb has more THC and is stronger than the herb that they smoked back in the day, I'm just wondering if this is true or if they just got crappy herb back then?

Mexican weed is good, even if it's schwag. As long as it is bricked good and is freshed when it gets to the states/Texas/Cali.

I love Mexican schwag, it gets me higher than dank typically cause all the home grown around Austin is Indicas(potent but not Sativa).

Mexican Schwag gives me a nice euphoric, warm body high with a nice heady high that is level or stronger than the body high.

The main high I notice with schwag is head. But that's not to say all schwag I get is good, sometimes it's lame schwag without a heady high but that's more rare in Texas.

Obviously dank sativa is gonna be better than schwag sativa, but it just depends what kinda high you want. A pure dank sativa can be quite powerful to smoke too much of, some people want to more gradual and leveled schwag high, smoking more always gets you blown. The act of smoking is nice too.

I am so high i don't even remember what the topic was about.

[HighonLife]

OP, you will LOVE this link -

Vintage Cannabis Photography (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=135579)


truly an insight into out older generations counter culture :P

kool post SEGA.

IMO alot of that bud doesnt look so terrible.

yea its not as good but in some of the good pics you could see obvious trichome action it just seems no one understood the concept of trimming

some of those buds had obvious seeds but some stuff looked decent just mediocre

anyways i guess all im saying is it is easy to see how the genetics werent the problem more or less just propogation techniques have improved so much more

IMO aleast

[psychomimetic]

Mexican weed is good, even if it's schwag. As long as it is bricked good and is freshed when it gets to the states/Texas/Cali.

I love Mexican schwag, it gets me higher than dank typically cause all the home grown around Austin is Indicas(potent but not Sativa).

Mexican Schwag gives me a nice euphoric, warm body high with a nice heady high that is level or stronger than the body high.

The main high I notice with schwag is head. But that's not to say all schwag I get is good, sometimes it's lame schwag without a heady high but that's more rare in Texas.

Obviously dank sativa is gonna be better than schwag sativa, but it just depends what kinda high you want. A pure dank sativa can be quite powerful to smoke too much of, some people want to more gradual and leveled schwag high, smoking more always gets you blown. The act of smoking is nice too.

I am so high i don't even remember what the topic was about.

The Mexican Schwag (in Texas at least) is pretty good a lot of the time, it generally has a very stony feel. The dank in Austin is way better though, there's some really great homegrown and medical stuff imported from Cali, I don't know about the other places in Texas really.

[Verybuffed]

Awesome link sega, I really enjoyed looking at that. Most of the old school shots looked just like dirt weed but the lamb's breath shots looked decent. That must of destroyed people back then.

[HighonLife]

The Mexican Schwag (in Texas at least) is pretty good a lot of the time, it generally has a very stony feel. The dank in Austin is way better though, there's some really great homegrown and medical stuff imported from Cali, I don't know about the other places in Texas really.

yea you can find good turbo shwag/popcorn in TX for quite cheap.

[Pillthrill]

Wow sega, that vintage pics link makes older weed look like shit!
I mean our brick weed MAY look that bad here if the town is WAY dry...

[Sega420]

i bet it would put you on your ass, girl

[hungry_ghost]

At the aadac meetings i attend they say that thc is 400% more concentrated and potent then what it was back in the 70's. Not sure if that is bad or good...

[Verybuffed]

Did anyone get so far into Sega's link that they saw this?

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5492/picturephp.jpg

[Pillthrill]

I'm not saying it wouldn't. It just seems to have less THC crystals showing. Perhaps it was the crappy photography and we have stuff that shows detail better now in photos?

[killo]

The Mexican Schwag (in Texas at least) is pretty good a lot of the time, it generally has a very stony feel. The dank in Austin is way better though, there's some really great homegrown and medical stuff imported from Cali, I don't know about the other places in Texas really.

Depends what kind you get. The kind I get is from central texas, has a very balanced high/stoney feel.

I just find that a lot of the dank isn't sativa enough for me. Schwag a lot of the time is, because more than likely it's a Sativa by default cause that's what grows natural, good here and i guess is the preferred weed by Texans and Mexicans. Of course schwag isn't gonna be a completely clean buzz like dank sativa, that's because schwag has lots of CVB(sp) but it also tends to have plenty of THC to compensate.

Indicas don't offer the high I like, it's okay I would compare it to a light mushroom organic stoney high with more minor mental effects, but still has a high of it's own. I like it at times, depends on the Indica though. Sometimes I just can't stand the effects, if it's not strong enough then by the time you smoke enough to really feel it you just pass out and it's a bummer. Then you're sober within an hour.

Sativa's offer me a euphoric, energetic, loopy, giggling fit LSD-like feeling where I can feel the energies and have a very deep experience. The body high is there even with 100% sativa, but the body high is more metallic feeling and not "stoned". The mind is loopy, thoughts can race especially if you smoke a lot or eat it. Good effects on music, and great for walking through nature or exercising, or meditation. POTENT Sativa's make me high for literally hours(1 hour peak then gradual fade that lasts nicely), even as a veteran. And I can smoke it all day and it won't make me tired.

[Verybuffed]

I'm not saying it wouldn't. It just seems to have less THC crystals showing. Perhaps it was the crappy photography and we have stuff that shows detail better now in photos?

Nah your right pillthrill I thought that 90% of the shots looked like dirt weed. I remember smoking stuff like that when I started this game, sure you will get stoned if you haven't smoked in a while but an day smoker would pass on most of it. The lamb's breath looks juicy though.

[Sega420]

you never know though, could have been a bad trim job and bad camera, but at least stuff nowadays IS stronger and better grown with the advance of technology. there is absolutely NO doubt about it.

and VB that dollhouse plumbing bong is nuts. just seems a bit unnecessary though :)

[artaxerxes]

Generally speaking, I'd have to agree that the weed currently available is of stronger potency, but I missed the 70s weed. By the mid-80s in Northern CA, we were still getting excellent Thai stick and the beginnings of incredibly good Humboldt weed that was usually an Indica/Sativa hybrid. Northern Lights was particularly popular. Many ppl on this site would probably enjoy it. Most of what we were getting was outdoor, soil-grown organic (thank you, commune-living hippies). And good Thai stick was excellent. I'm sure it's still available to some but I would be VERY pleased to try that again as an adult.

By the mid-80s when I started smoking, the indica hybrids out of Mendocino Humboldt were good enough to go head-to-head with a lot of the "brand-name" weed that's being sold in most of the country nowadays. As usual, I think it probably depended on who you knew and how close you were to the source.

I remember traveling into one of the fly-over states in the early/mid-90s and weed was still that brown compressed stuff. Is that brick/schwag weed? Mids? Still not sure. But it was definitely stuff that needed to be smoked in multiple joints. And tasted & looked nasty. The stuff we were getting out of Humboldt was one or two hitter.

That sounds dick-sizing-ish, so I apologize for that. But that's the truth about the scene for many smokers in the Bay Area/Northern California.

The only reason I'm so committed to accuracy is that I've seen and read some of that anti-drug literature aimed at parents that says that "pot" (ugh, hate that outdated term) is 100 times more powerful than "what you smoked back then when you were experimenting (lol)." I simply don't believe that that's true. Well, obviously, the 100x that's frequently mentioned is just a load of shit. 100x? Please. Maybe 3-5x depending on where you lived.

Back in the 60s, people bought "lids" that were supposedly an ounce but never measured up to that. So it is true that people had to smoke multiple joints of the stuff to get high. But in refutation of the bullshit put down by current anti-drug propaganda, I don't remember any Vietnam vets talking about going crazy off what they smoked in Vietnam (thus, the weed wasn't "loco weed"). And they didn't quit smoking weed when they came back to the states because US weed was so weak. Of course, a lot of those guys moved to Northern CA and started growing. Thank God or the Universe. They all did us a favor.

Any 60s heads want to chime in on lids and potency? I've hung (and used to live with) a lot of guys of that generation for many years and their stories are amazing, so I'm always interested in hearing more about the scene back then.

[Johnny blue]

I truly believe that weed on average is of much better quality than it was back then. It only makes sense when you think about the technology and the competition between dealers and growers.

In my own experience what old heads think is good weed is often swag by our standards. I remember going to Vermont to meet an old timer and see his product which really was sub standard. At the time I brought some orange crush with me that they looked at like it wasn't even mj. It was funny because these people moved there during the 70s and had been growing and smoking their own ever since. IMO they really thought what they had was something special because that's all they knew as if they had been sealed in a time warp. I ended up getting an ounce so I didn't insult them but though it was extremely cheap it wasn't worth anything comparatively.

I have met many "old heads" in my time. Some smoke what we smoke. Some buy brick and love it and some grow. Some admit the stuff nowadays is better and some pine for the weed of the 60s. Panama red and Acapulco gold always come up. IMHO its not the weed that they really think was better but the time that they smoked it.

[Sega420]

to be honest man im with you ^^
im only 19 but to be honest i prefer nice organic shit like that compared to the overly stoney shit you can get nowadays. but like you said -
its all down to who you know if you dont wanna end up with a "lid" of sticks, seeds and powderey bud

[Taryth]

Nostalgia revealed, ladies and gentlemen! The weed of times gone by was, for the most part, what people today consider to be schwag and mids. Look at all the seeds!! Dear lord.

This is actually a bit funny, because my mom knows an old guy who grows, and before she'd seen any of his crop, he'd told her that he "grows the danks." Turns out, he grows weed that looks EXACTLY like some of the "grassy" weeds in that thread. Seedy, with a lot of stingy leaves, and a minimal amount of actual bud.

It stones well, and it mo0st obviously sativa-dominant, but it tastes HORRENDOUS, and the high is short-lived. If offered, I'd buy an 1/8 of it for ~20 in desperate times, but it's not worth much more. I imagine a lot of the weed from those photos is similar, though a few notables were present.

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Nostalgia revealed, ladies and gentlemen! The weed of times gone by was, for the most part, what people today consider to be schwag and mids. Look at all the seeds!! Dear lord.

This is actually a bit funny, because my mom knows an old guy who grows, and before she'd seen any of his crop, he'd told her that he "grows the danks." Turns out, he grows weed that looks EXACTLY like some of the "grassy" weeds in that thread. Seedy, with a lot of stingy leaves, and a minimal amount of actual bud.

It stones well, and it mo0st obviously sativa-dominant, but it tastes HORRENDOUS, and the high is short-lived. If offered, I'd buy an 1/8 of it for ~20 in desperate times, but it's not worth much more. I imagine a lot of the weed from those photos is similar, though a few notables were present.

So Mexibrick/schwag is a Sativa/Sativa dominant? What about mid grade/mids or does it all depend on the strain?

I can't say that I miss smoking schwag/mids like I did when I first started smoking as a teenager as I prefer smoking dank/kind bud since it's stronger and you have to smoke far less but it's a waste to cook with good herb unless you have lots of it or get medicinal herb from a dispensary where they sell pre-made desserts.

[ChronicHD]

I truly believe that weed on average is of much better quality than it was back then. It only makes sense when you think about the technology and the competition between dealers and growers.

I have met many "old heads" in my time. Some smoke what we smoke. Some buy brick and love it and some grow. Some admit the stuff nowadays is better and some pine for the weed of the 60s. Panama red and Acapulco gold always come up. IMHO its not the weed that they really think was better but the time that they smoked it.

^^ I have to agree with you on both points. I've smoked a good amount of nugget with friends parents, randoms at concerts, hell even alumni of my fraternity (guys aged 60+), and the consensus among them is that the weed today is much stronger (even had one old dude bug out and accuse me of being a narc, took about 15 minutes to calm him down and explain he was just stoned).

However, I also believe that anybody who says the weed was "better" back then is referring to the good old days, like the weed scene, setting for the sesh, drug culture, and friends the weed was smoked with. Not the actual weed.

[Tuneman]

Those pics were cool to look at- by the look of the buds in that link I would say weed has gotten a ton better, compare those pics to some High Times pics.

I actually feel like in the last 10 years weed has gotten noticeably better and I think it has to do with the internet. When I started college in 03 there was info on growing but nothing like today. Today you have Youtube videos and in depth articles discussing weed growing and technology to the point where anyone can get access to advanced techniques and technology.

5 or 6 years ago I can remember seeing 1 hit wonder type stuff every once in awhile, now I have access to numerous types of 1 hit crazy dank and I'm no kingpin, I don't have tons of sweet hookups at all I think it just is way more common to see a dealer set up shop growing top notch as opposed to shipping it in from somewhere else.

[triiper]

Is it true that herb from the 90s through today is stronger, better grown, and gives a more intense high than the herb of the 60s, 70s, and early 80s which was (from what I've been told by old heads) grown in Mexico, Colombia, and was basically comparable to what we would call mids or schwag today?

I understand that marijuana is a plant and that things do not change that much from it. I'm not saying that today's chronic is a completely different drug like I've read in anti pot propaganda I've just been told by old heads that today's herb has more THC and is stronger than the herb that they smoked back in the day, I'm just wondering if this is true or if they just got crappy herb back then?

adfa

[ganja_man]

for me it is impossible to tell because i remember when i first started smoking, it was a dime, 0.5g bag, and that got me and a few friends super high and had a great time..now a 0.5g is only a personal session of good creepy strain, it would get me stoned but in a different way it did the first times

[izzy66]

i got on the bus in the mid '70s in new england/northeast u.s.
lids were $20 for mexican shwag, nothing to get excited about. for $40 you got an ounce columbian, usually reddish buds, decent weed. "columbian gold" was a major step up in potency, usually $40/oz, sometimes more. there was lots and lots of hash around, from hard blonde to gooey black, $5-7/gram. thai sticks were around but were more legend than reality.
in general, weed is def stronger now.
-izzy

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

i got on the bus in the mid '70s in new england/northeast u.s.
lids were $20 for mexican shwag, nothing to get excited about. for $40 you got an ounce columbian, usually reddish buds, decent weed. "columbian gold" was a major step up in potency, usually $40/oz, sometimes more. there was lots and lots of hash around, from hard blonde to gooey black, $5-7/gram. thai sticks were around but were more legend than reality.
in general, weed is def stronger now.
-izzy

Would Colombian herb be comparable to mids today?

A friend of mine that's an old head said how herb today has greatly increased in potency but he hasn't had good hash in decades but AFAIK he's never had bubble hash or whatever it's called, and he just eats herb now and doesn't smoke it.

I've had excellent hash but this was in southern Spain and it's decriminalized there for personal use and it was a strong Sativa. :)

[Choronzon333]

Is it true that herb from the 90s through today is stronger, better grown, and gives a more intense high than the herb of the 60s, 70s, and early 80s which was (from what I've been told by old heads) grown in Mexico, Colombia, and was basically comparable to what we would call mids or schwag today?

I understand that marijuana is a plant and that things do not change that much from it. I'm not saying that today's chronic is a completely different drug like I've read in anti pot propaganda I've just been told by old heads that today's herb has more THC and is stronger than the herb that they smoked back in the day, I'm just wondering if this is true or if they just got crappy herb back then?

Yeh its true. Talked to a friends dad. He said you used to be able to buy a pound for like 300 dollars or something but you'd be way better off with an ounce of some of todays good stuff than a lb of almost anything back then...

[izzy66]

Would Colombian herb be comparable to mids today?

yes definitely. the buds were small and tight, not full of seeds or stems and didn't have much shake. i've not seen anything decent w/ that gold color for many years and the smell and taste were much lighter than now.
after reagan was elected and "just say no" got going, the feds were really heavy on everything coming into florida by boat or plane. the flow of south american pot stopped and cocaine was easier to move and more profitable. for awhile pot was in kinda short supply but there was so much coke it was outta control.

when i moved to florida hash was still around though not as plentiful as the northeast. but it's been more than 10 years since i've seen any.
-izzy

[shadowofdoubts]

Yh Growers have made hybrids and selective breeding to make sure the genes for THC production make the plant produce more THC or are more reproductive.

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I saw this on the thread that Sega posted.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=8747&pictureid=238493

[Ason Unique]

Lol awesome ^

[Choronzon333]

I saw this on the thread that Sega posted.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=8747&pictureid=238493

where can i get?

[castoutbySociety]

EXTREME differences in THC quality (obviously)...kind of like comparing a constant SHWAG smoking with chronic. But a lot of the mother strains of all the crazy pot out there these days were invented/originated back in the day. i have a picture of my father standing next to an Afghani x Acapulco Gold plant in AF-fucking-GHANISTAN if you can believe it lol

[Verybuffed]

I saw this on the thread that Sega posted.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=8747&pictureid=238493

Nitrous is highly flammable. I wonder how many stoners burned their eyebrows back in the 70's with this?

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Nitrous is highly flammable. I wonder how many stoners burned their eyebrows back in the 70's with this?

I was wondering the same thing. It does not seem very safe.

In the movie Kids (I think it was this movie) there's a scene where they're smoking pot and there's some pipe/bong with a n2o cracker or something but it was not like the one I posted the ad for.

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

There's also an ad for an early way to make crack and smoke it.


http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=8747&pictureid=204754

[Verybuffed]

Wow, good find.

[Outta Pocket]

Thanks for posting those ads, crazy that last one. They had the base pipe market sewed up!

[losthippy]

In Oz from the late 60's till Landsat went into orbit we (the masses) smoked 'bush-pig' from plantations grown in state forests or on remote properties, usually lacking pedigree and definately low on grunt. Mind you, we didn't have much of a benchmark back then to measure potency by. An ounce cost $30 and a 90:10 Bud/Leaf ratio was fairly standard. Then, from around '72 till the mid 80's there was a rush of imported bud such as Buddha and Durban Poison from which seed was taken and domestic growers started breeding more superior strains. Shortly thereafter came hydro-culture and lights, and hybridized Dutch seeds began finding there way into production. The rest is history. In a nutshell, the effects we felt choofing cigar-sized joynts were probably due chronic toxicity through exposure to clouds of smouldering non-psychoactive terpenes, ground-up leaf, stem and seed. There is no real argument about the potency of 'new' and bastardized strains these days. Stunned or stoned - take your pick. Consumers are a lot more discerning now and growers can pretty well tailor-grow a variety for every occasion. Almost an embarrassment of riches.

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Here's an ad for an early vaporizer.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=8747&pictureid=204761

[Verybuffed]

This must be M-Cat as they didn't have 4-MMC back then.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9229/56271685.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/i/56271685.jpg/)

[johanneschimpo]

^ Yeah, it'd be cathinone or methcathinone.



That line is classic: "Its the new product everyone who bought Mannitol is now begging for..."