Meta-escaline?

[Ralf_4]

Just been flicking thru Pikhal and came upon this very interesting compound, Shulgins reports look promising, but not much info on it. anyone tried this compound or know anyone who has? i want more details cos this could be a very close mescaline analogue, and even one that has a bright future in the RC world (also anyone seen the price for dpt they got goin now, not gonna mention it but extortionate!!)

[any major dude]

where was this in PiHKAL? I looked through it briefly & didn't see it right off. I've read about a number of mescaline analogues, but don't think i remember this one

[Ralf_4]

look under ME, its a bit lost in the midst of the MD's

[fryingsquirrel]

number 119, 5 ethoxy MDA (or something like that).

[Ralf_4]

thats the one, although its 34dimethoxy5ethoxypea

[solistus]

WTF, I swear I posted here earlier. Must be losing my mind again, what a shame.

This one sounds promising - a kinder, gentler mescaline that still has plenty of depth to it, with less bodyload and nausea, sign me up! It's still got the problem common to most RC mescaline analogs: low potency, like mescaline itself. Since they're all fairly rare and exotic, they tend to be *more* expensive per gram than other RCs when available, but they also tend to be about an order of magnitude less potent than most of the popular RC psychedelics (it seems full activity at 20mg is a sort of sweet spot for a compound's desirability, and once you cross 50mg territory the compound needs to be dirt cheap to catch on, so things that take 200mg+ for full effects that are already on the pricey end by weight are tough to find a market for, I bet).

[killronaldreagan]

Certainly promising, but it doesn't seem any more special than Escaline or Cyclopropylmescaline (CPM in PIHKAL) but at the very least it's in the minority of essentially active Mescaline analogues, certainly better than Proscaline alpha-Ethylmescaline or Buscaline.

Finding an obscure analogue of an already hard to find drug seems like a fairly tall order. Even if you could find the one person who's still making and selling it, they'd just extort the hell out of you, because they just can in that situation. If you can figure out how to get Escaline and do a conversion, you could get some with less hassle than finding a chemist and getting them to make it and sell it to you, granted you already know chemistry and aren't just looking at the names of the chemicals in the synths with grim confusion.

[thenightwatch]

Certainly promising, but it doesn't seem any more special than Escaline or Cyclopropylmescaline (CPM in PIHKAL) but at the very least it's in the minority of essentially active Mescaline analogues, certainly better than Proscaline alpha-Ethylmescaline or Buscaline.

Finding an obscure analogue of an already hard to find drug seems like a fairly tall order. Even if you could find the one person who's still making and selling it, they'd just extort the hell out of you, because they just can in that situation. If you can figure out how to get Escaline and do a conversion, you could get some with less hassle than finding a chemist and getting them to make it and sell it to you, granted you already know chemistry and aren't just looking at the names of the chemicals in the synths with grim confusion.

all the 2C compounds are also analogues of mescaline. in fact, all of the compounds in PiHKAL could be said to be logical manipulations of the mescaline molecule.

but yeah, this stuff will never be available at a reasonable price per dose. its not potent enough. (probably) using similar precursors, one could create far more doses of a similar but different drug.

[blindsunn]

I am no chemist but this is what I gather so far safrole c10h10o2 ethanol c2h6o and ammonia hno3 mixed together somehow form the chemical c12h19no3 which is escaline, bod, tma. Is this correct? Cuz that's like two fluid ounces of mescaline anolog for ruffly 12 bucks. I mean I am not a chemist or anything but this just seems too easy.

[allium]

^ Welcome to bluelight! Unfortunately, synthesis discussion isn't allowed here.
I am not a chemist too, but phenethylamines/tryptamines synthesis require at least understanding of basics of chemistry, and some basic skill. If you have all necessary precursors and lab equipment, it is indeed not that hard, but it is certainly not easy.



safrole c10h10o2 ethanol c2h6o and ammonia hno3 mixed together

You probably won't get escaline, you will get some nasty shit, if there will be any chemical reaction.
Also, escaline, BOD, TMA-* are isomers, but NOT the same chemical.

Escaline, BOD and TMA-1:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Escaline.png/200px-Escaline.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/4-methyl-2%2C5%2Cbeta-trimethoxy-phenethylamine.svg/200px-4-methyl-2%2C5%2Cbeta-trimethoxy-phenethylamine.svg.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Trimethoxyamphetamine_structure.svg/152px-Trimethoxyamphetamine_structure.svg.png

[sekio]

HNO3 is nitric acid. Ammonia is NH3. thought i'd clear that up.

Chemical synthesis is a lot more complex than getting the right proportions of carbon/oxygen/nitrogen/hydrogen in the molecule, you must also make sure that the atoms are connected correctly :P E.g. the difference between a bunch of building blocks dumped in a pile versus those same building blocks being used to build a 4 foot tower. Sure, you may have 100 blocks in both but the two structures are very different.

[blindsunn]

As I said im not a chemist. I guess ill have to find a synth forum.

[atara]

As I said im not a chemist. I guess ill have to find a synth forum.

While the synthesis of the chemical you seek is certainly accessible starting from available materials and techniques available to the average peasant, the typical drug forum will assume new members have at least some background in the subject, which you probably do not have. I suggest grabbing the nearest organic chemistry textbook and spending some quality time with it before you try to synthesize anything.

[blindsunn]

Thanks for all your input nevertheless... is it true that bod was shulgins first phenylamide synth.

[allium]

I think you mean "Phenethylamine"?

In the PiHKAL Shulgin writes that he started his exploration from TMA(which was discovered by another chemist). Then he decided to replace 2 methoxy groups with methylendioxi group to get MMDA:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Trimethoxyamphetamine_structure.svg/152px-Trimethoxyamphetamine_structure.svg.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/MMDA-structure.png/220px-MMDA-structure.png
So, depending on what you mean "first synth" it can be either TMA or MMDA(or maybe even some chemical he synthesized being a student:))

You definitely need to learn basics of organic chemistry, if you want to make (safe) chemicals for yourself .