OTC Codeine [Archive]

jakoz

30-06-2001, 09:27

In WA, and Im assuming throughout Australia, there is a brand of over the counter painkillers (look for it) with 9.75mg codiene being the only active ingredient... look past the major labels. Thats the only one I know of that has no other active ingredients.
Just complain that only codiene seems to work, and that paracetamol and asprin dont do a thing for you.

kandy andy

30-06-2001, 09:57

anyone know what its called. I just got back from the chemist and all i could find is 8mg or 9.6 in Disprin Forte but has a shit load of asprin as well 500mg if i remember correctly. Is this amount of aspirin too much to bother with?? Also there was this other stuff that contained lactose. Being that lactose is basically milk i would think that this poses no problem. Please correct me if im wrong..

mona

30-06-2001, 10:47

A little Paracetamol is fine, but anything over 2000-2500mg is getting slightly dangerous. As most OTC Codeine tablets have 500mg of paracetamol per tablet, you can only really take up to 40mg (if you find 10mg tabs)before you start belly aching from the paracetamol, and 40mg is crap all if you want to actually get high http://www2.bluelight.ru/ubb/smile.gif
SO, there are ways of purifying the codiene/paracetamol tablets to produce a bitter purish liquid codiene substance. It's tedious work, but there's really no use swallowing heaps of 10mg tablets without purifying.
I would by a 90 pack of chemist's own PAIN TABLETS (sounds dodgy but thats what they call them), they're the cheapest you can get and they have 9.6mg of codiene in them (the most you can get in a tablet OTC). The only other brand that has this much in codiene in it is Dental Fiorinal (mmm dental fiorinal) but it also has a Ibruprofen in it which is an analgesic/muscle relaxant and I'm not sure how that would go. So once you get your stocks go to Erowid (http://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine/codeine_faq.shtml) and follow the instructions on the extraction technique. That's the Codiene Vault, its the link to the FAQ's page..I have issues about posting the extraction technique on here. So have a looksee for yerself http://www2.bluelight.ru/ubb/smile.gif
Having done this extraction technique, I realise I probably undermeasured my dose (i hadnt done codiene in a while so I opted for 100mg of codeine in my solution), when i'd have about 120 if I were just swallowing Panadeine Forte.. it was a little bit underwhelming and after all the effort i went through to make it i was a little disappointed. I'd rather go to a dodgy doctor and get a script for 30mg Panadiene Forte anyday.
[This message has been edited by mona (edited 30 June 2001).]

Biscuit

30-06-2001, 12:34

I'd be very careful with paracetamol containing things, especially if u r taking tablets after a big night; your liver has already suffered and its not wise.
Now there r cough mixtures which contain codeine. I was actually positive there was one which was only codeine, a bit like there is one which is only DXM.
However i dont remember which one.
Saying that there are definitely mixtures around with pseudoephedrine in it. Like the paracetamol, this probably isnt a good thing to overdo; and is rather counter-active to depressents.
But there may be several cough mixtures around with other codeine combinations which r less of a problem.
U definitely have more of a chance with cough mixtures than pain type tablets. (Codeine is both pain-killing and cough suppressing)

kandy andy

30-06-2001, 13:56

Hey Mona thanks for the reply.. I can get my hands on panadine forte no worries. i got a nice big box infront of me now.. But I am still courious to know something... You say that paracetamol is dangerous at about 2000-2500mg. If i was just to bomb say 4-5 tabs that would get me very close to danger would it not?? I had read erwid b4 so was familiar with the filtering out of the codeine, but is this not a filtration for asprin?? Will the paracitamol filter out in the same way as the asprin??
Should i try the Disprin Forte and just use like 10 tabs will the asprin disolve better than the paracitamol.. I know that panadine has like 3 times the amount of codeine in it but is the paracitamol worth the risk???
Thanks
[This message has been edited by kandy andy (edited 30 June 2001).]

mona

01-07-2001, 12:06

Right well...
Its not healthy to go over 2000-2500 too often as Biscuit said it puts a lot of strain on yer liver BUT if you have 30mg panadiene fortes 5 is probably the most you;d havew in one go (unless you want to go to sleep and not remember any of the lush stonededness you get). Although i think I've read somewhere (cant find the reference so dont quote me on this) that the LD50 for paracetamol for some people can be 2500mg, but I'm sure 2500mg is not enough to kill most adults, but i'm sure there's been plenty of people who've taken 4 panadol and not had any adverse affects. its just about being careful and working up to your dose. If you've not done codiene recreationally before, it might be wise to just start off with 90mg? (ie 3 forte = 1500mg paracetamol)
The extraction method works on paracetamol as well as aspirin, although apparently it works better for aspirin, HOWEVER, you can still use the extraction method on the panadeine fortes if you wanted to be extra safe. I'm pretty sure it gets rid of MOST of the paracetamol, but not all of it.
Goodluck, have fun..
and listen to some NIN while you're stoned http://www2.bluelight.ru/ubb/smile.gif

Sherbert_Ass

02-07-2001, 01:51

for some reason Panadeine forte is hard to get.. couldn't be stuffed stopping by the doc!:-p

huxley

07-07-2001, 09:51

forget codine, go for hydrocodone http://www2.bluelight.ru/ubb/wink.gif
At least I hope you can get it here in oz. You can get it in cough mixture, but you have to get a pescription for it (well you do in the US, so I presume here as well). You need to have, ie: fake http://www2.bluelight.ru/ubb/smile.gif a really bad dry cough, go to the clinic and say it's really really hurting and if you don't get any relief this weekend you just wont be able to go to work next week...

SirLSD

09-07-2001, 14:45

a few corrections for the record.
jakoz-there is no such product that contains 9.75mg codeine only.
mona-ibuprofen is a non steroidal anti inflamitory drug.
biscuit-sadly there is no codeine only products available OTC. there is one with 25mg per 5 mls but its prescription only. and ive never seen it sold in the pharmacy i work in. actually ive never seen it atall.
huxkey-there is no listing of hydrocodone in th APP guide. ie you aint getting your hands on it.
[ 16 December 2001: Message edited by: SirLSD ]

mona

09-07-2001, 15:03

Thanks for the corrections SirLSD, i was thinking of Voltaren (which is nice too)

dingleberries

10-07-2001, 04:36

a question for anyone familiar with the codeine extraction technique:
What sort of coffee filters (cant get access to lab filters) to use? Any particular brand names to look out for/aviod?
thanks

Biscuit

10-07-2001, 05:41

I went hunting for DXM late saturday night and during my investigation the chemist showed me some cough medicine called:
RIKOCODEINE.
This had only active ingredients Dihydrocodeine (sp?) and Sorbitol.
I cannot remember the amount but i think it was 14mg per 10 or 5 ml.
Now i guess the sorbitol is there to deter excess consumption?
But if u can deal with stomach cramps and possible trips to the toilet there is an OTC source.

kandy andy

10-07-2001, 06:45

dingleberries o to the supermarket in the coffee isle. The filters are usually on the bottom shelf in a green box. cant remember the name but they are in a green box with red writting. You get like 40 for $1.50 the box is about 20cm X 10 cm. The filtrs are a bag like shape and are 2X ply. I use both ply when extracting. Let us know if you hav any trouble

kickedinjunk

10-07-2001, 12:28

i have a bottle of Voltaren 50
it says they contain diclofenac sodium 50mg
mona says they are good and if so what is the best way to take it? should i just eat some or should i use the extraction method.
what else do they contain?
any info would be much appreciated
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jakoz

10-07-2001, 20:06

SirLSD - Youre right, my bad... that was from (a seemingly deteriorating) memory.
The codiene content was correct, but that brand also contains 450mg paracetamol and 5mg doxylamine succinate.

BigTrancer

11-07-2001, 02:26

The product Jakoz is referring to is an analgesic/calmative sold under the brands Dolased, Mersyndol and various cheaper generic names. If you take a few of these the antihistamine calmative (doxylamine succinate) will probably make you more drowsy than the codeine.
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RushingRococco

11-07-2001, 09:29

Codeine as an active ingredient by itself is unavailable over the counter. To be S2 (OTC pharmacy medicine) it has to be 9.6mg per tablet mixed with at least one other active either it be paracetomol, aspirin or anything else and in pack of less than 100.
Codeine in tablet form by itself is a controlled substance (S8) so if u know a dodgy doctor and pharmacy get scripts!
in liquid form for coughs a script is needed but no regulated.
There are preps. with up to 15mg of codiene but they also contain paracetomol and sometimes doxylamine succinate.
Dihydrocodeine and DXM are just derivatives of codeine - not as effective.
but if u are after the both Rikodeine and Durotuss have dihydrocodeine (just watch out for sorbitol as it is a laxative)
DXM you will find in Robittussin DX as DXM being the only active and NO sorbitol.
My recommendation is NUCOSEF - it is a OTC codeine and pseudoephidrine mix and i have had quite a bit of fun with that!

Darkblade

11-07-2001, 19:07

Doxylamine Succinate......
Mmmm anyone know much about this stuff? It's in Mersyndol and there are chemists brands which are cheaper but contain the same stuff. I sometimes get them for sore tooth, sometimes after an event http://www2.bluelight.ru/ubb/wink.gif But I find that even as few as 2 of these has a nice stoney effect. I haven't tried more (haven't thought of recreational use much) and am not stupid enough to try without more research.
So anyone know what the real effects of Doxylamine Succinate are?
DB

BigTrancer

12-07-2001, 03:24

Doxylamine succinate is an antihistamine, a member of the Ethanolamine group of H1 -Blocking Agents, has a pronounced tendency to induce sedation. ie. It acts as a calmative that relaxes you and makes you drowsy.

It's used with paracetamol and codeine in some mild OTC painkillers (ie. Dolased, Mersyndol, Chemists Own Analgesic/Calmative and other generics) at a dose of about 9mg per tablet.
Also by itself in some sleeping formulations (ie. Restavit, Somnil) at a dose of 25mg per tablet.
Funnily enough it also comes in Vicks Medinite cough syrup at a dose of 7.5mg per 30mL, along with 600mg paracetamol, 9mg ephedrine sulphate, and 15mg DXM in the same 30mL. (Before anyone goes rushing off thinking this shit is the shit to trip off... remember you need a good 300mg of DXM for a decent robotrip, and the paracetamol there in 600mL would make your liver curl up and die). I think it also requires a prescription as it classed S2.

Chemical name for Doxylamine Hydrogen Succinate: 2-[alpha-(2-dimethylaminoethoxy)-alpha-methylbenzyl] pyridine
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Darkblade

12-07-2001, 06:36

Ah BT...I'm ever impressed with your vast chem knowledge http://www2.bluelight.ru/ubb/smile.gif Thanks a lot for that...
DB

chopped

12-07-2001, 07:13

I found a product called Rapideine, it contains 10mg of codeine and 500mg of paracetamol, i think this is the higgest content i have found. It was cheap as well, $5 for 24 i think.

BigTrancer

12-07-2001, 07:34

THE BIG LIST... for those who want details on all the aussie/nz OTC and prescription cold and flu gear...
http://codeinepub.tripod.com/products/products-au.html
Interesting inclusion in the above list:

Dia-Chek
Active: codeine phosphate 9.5mg
Excipients: aluminium hydroxide dried 400mg
Pack: 16 tablets (white, uncoated, marked Searle on one side and scored on the other)
Status: OTC; all states and ACT - S.2
Manufacturer: Pharmacia Australia
Comments: LDLO for aluminium hydroxide dried for intraperitoneal administration in rats is 150mg/kg

ex·cip·i·ent
n.
An inert substance used as a diluent or vehicle for a drug.
... make of that what you will. Not sure about the effect of high doses of aluminium hydroxide. Personally I'd rather go to the minor hassle of getting Panadiene Forte at 30mg codeine per tablet.
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kandy andy

13-07-2001, 02:51

i agree with chopped, after a bit of shopping i found my local chemist made "pain Killers" with 10mg of codeine and 500mg paracietamol, also only bout $5 a pack.

4FUN

08-02-2003, 13:21

those of you who speak as if getting panadine forte is a simple task - I ENVY YOU!!!
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sonic_reality

10-02-2003, 15:42

it's so easy for me, it's scary(i'm only 17!). i just tell the doctor i am getting chronic migraines, and he gives them to me no questions asked. i used to get migraines heaps, but not much anymore, but the docs don't know that!!!
also, while i'm on the topic of migraines, does anyone know anything about a medication called Imigran? the only ingredient is Sumatriptam 20mg, and i have been prescribed it for when I get a REALLY bad migraine, and Panadiene Forte won't work.
any info would be appreciated!

Trillian

10-02-2003, 16:08

did you mean Sumatriptan (http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/sumitr.htm)?

sonic_reality

10-02-2003, 17:00

yeah, Sumatriptan i mean.
although that link is referring to another brand which uses tablets. the medication that has been given to me is in a nasal spray. the brand is Imigran.

miss slingshot

10-02-2003, 17:40

Year my doc prescribed Immigran for me when i was getting really bad migraines ealier this year.
To be honest, it didn't really work that well for me - killed the migraine for an hour or two but then it came back. (btw these are the sorts of migraines that numerous panadene forte & lots of vodka did not put a dint in).
My doctor described it and the whole nasal spray thing as "like cocaine, only good for you!" LOL! While they act pretty much instantly, they have no recreational value and don't 'interact' with any other meds - to my knowledge. They are also kinda pricy if you arn't on a health care card.
The only thing that i found to work were strong arse sleeping tablets and even then they didn't knock me out. Thankfully i've found the source of my migraines - food allergies.
Btw can anyone tell me why 1 sleeping tablet will knock me out if i have insomina, but with a migraine - 3 tablets later and i'm not the slightest bit sleepy - migraine gone but very much up and awake?
[ 10 February 2003: Message edited by: miss slingshot ]

johnnyonelove

12-02-2003, 01:28

Just a note of caution. Do not use Disprin Forte. It contains water soluble asprin and hence the cold water extraction technique will not work.
Also, it probably wouldn't be worth downing 4-5 panadine forte because you would only get 150 mg codeine which is only the threshold dose (you really need 250-400 for good times, but start small incase of bad reactions). Do the cold water extraction.
Finally, I've found that the codeine/paracetamol capsules (not tablets), are the best for doing extractions with. You don't have to crush them, just empty capsule contents and you will have a very fine powder. Also, you will not need to use warm water, because there are no binders to disolve, and hence the extraction process is quicker and much purer (unlike paracetamol, codeine dissolves better in cold water). The liquid also passes through the filter much quicker without the binders etc. The brown filter papers are the ones i've found to be best (the white ones tend to break at the seam).
The capsules only have 8mg codeine each but extraction with them has a much better yield then the tablets.

hugose

15-02-2003, 19:15

Won't all that codiene make you constipated? Sounds like shitloads of trouble..

lsd303

17-02-2003, 05:52

Nurofen plus is the shit if you're after OTC codeine. There's a thread on this somewhere else on BL (I think) - ibuprofen (the main ingredient in N+) doesn't mix well with codeine, so one segment of the tablet is codeine and the other ibuprofen. If you take the caplet and look at it like a hot dog bun (ie splitting lengthways, not at the score (this is easiest with your front teeth rather than a knife), the side with "N+" stamped on it is the codeine portion. You'll know when you get a split right as it'll be a smooth break, with the exposed edge of the codeine side being rounded. Basically, you'll get a concave/convex (I forget which is which!) split between the two halves if you do it right.
I thought this was bullshit when I first read about it, but quickly came to the conclusion that I was wrong after my first 300+mg dose of the codeine only sections.. mmmm :)
As an added bonus, N+ has 12.8mg of codeine per tab, which (AFAIK) is the highest OTC amount available.
(wonders whether revealing this is a good idea or not.. [raises finger at any prying media types])

johnnyonelove

18-02-2003, 06:11

[quote]Originally posted by hugose:
Won't all that codiene make you constipated? Sounds like shitloads of trouble..
yes well the absence of shitloads is the trouble really :) .
Thanks for info lsd303, will have to investigate further!

hugose

18-02-2003, 06:21

[quote]Originally posted by johnnyonelove:
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yes well the absence of shitloads is the trouble really :) .
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nicely done :)

turkish

28-12-2004, 17:34

panadiene forte really isnt that hard to get if you know your docter especially if u have broken a bone recently or if his prescribed u to hard pain killers, complain about the pain and say that normal panadiene doesnt really help u unless u take 4 with in an hour or so, i dunno if i should say more coz i feel like im breaking the rules here but make sure u dont talk like a complete stoner with your doctor or u wont get shit.. good luck :)

Doooofus

29-12-2004, 01:48

HOW TO: Splitting Nurofen Plus Tablets (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=153393)

Great walkthrough on how to get a decent amount of codeine quickly, easily and minus other active ingredients.

nyviq

01-02-2005, 04:22

I found a product called Rapideine, it contains 10mg of codeine and 500mg of paracetamol, i think this is the higgest content i have found. It was cheap as well, $5 for 24 i think.

Nurofen+ tabs contain 12.8mg codeine/200mg ibuprofen per tab. Imo the nurofen split trick is better than the messy extraction, even if the nurofen tabs are a little pricier. Pretty sure they are plentiful in Aus aswell.

Bumpoh

01-02-2005, 07:11

I got a prescription for codeine Phosphate tablets for something i had a while ago, but i never actually bothered getting them. is there actually any difference that the phosphate part of it makes? or is that usual?

sonicnature

01-02-2005, 09:19

^ i think this is the same as the codeine linctus syrup that I got prescribed. the only active ingredient is codeine phosphate.. i had a terrible experience with this though..

chugs

01-02-2005, 14:10

panadiene fortes are easy to get - its called "i suffer from migraines"

works everytime - helps to tell the doctor you've been awake for the last 24hrs with a headache because you the OTC painkillers just didn't work and you were worried about taking to much paracentmol (can't be bothered spelling checking) - they love that shit that you followed the directions blah blah ....although its a toss up waiting for a dr in a crowded cesspool of society medical centre or eating awful tasting n+ sides.

armadilliO

02-02-2005, 07:52

I was purchasing a 48 pack of neurofun plus the other nite (at like 1am) from a 24hr chemist, and they had Panadeine 15 on the shelf. Thats 500mg paracetamol with 15mg codeine.

Pointless for our usage, as it costs a shiteload more than the generic acetiminophen \ codeine Pain Pills (for extraction) and is stupid for consuming by itself as you'd kill yourself from all that delicious panadol :P

I've mastered biting N+ in half... can woof through an entire box without having one split messily - even if they're the ones that are a bit trickier to split.

Just put the N+ half facing into your mouth, and the blank side facing away - teeth putting pressure on the centre of the pill - slowly bite it, and the N+ half will pop backwards onto your toungue, and the blank half will drop out of your mouth into your hand... which you can then throw at people :D

I'm so proud of my technique lol...

OH yeah... the chemist lady asked me if I'd had neurofen before and i said "yeah, i do labouring and busted me back"
she asked "why the big box?"
I simply replied, with a smile "I need more!"