[14] Misinformation by BilZ0r

[iom]

Of course he was being serious.

Be careful with gender specific language like that...

I once took 5mg of 5-MeO-DMT in combination with MAOIs. I must say that the experience was entirely overwhelming and felt more toxic than any other drug experience I have had. I should hate to imagine what would happen if I had taken 30mg. If I ever meet Jon Ott, I will sure give him my honest opinion of his 5-MeO-DMT/Syrian Rue idea. It's a shame that this example of "misinformation" is being generalized to the entire drug-information community.

I read all the available reports on Erowid concerning the combination before I tried it. That is why I chose a dose of 5mg. I probably owe it to the community to submit a trip-report so that others can see how potentially dangerous even small amounts of 5-MeO-DMT can be when used with MAOIs.

The experience actually occured the weekend before the September 11th terrorist attacks. I think the experience considerably affected my interpretation of the events.

[therealbeats]

It is quite the honour to be in a thread with fire, but I only want to add the fact that this person obviously has not taken a good look at the site, if he's taking 30mg, period, let alone on his first time, without considering the MAOI

I suppose some people just choose to read the information as they see fit.

[BilZ0r]

^^^ It wasn't his first time. Infact he reported to the people treating him that he had in the past used hallucinogens on a daily basis.

[FUTURAmike]

Originally posted by iom
Be careful with gender specific language like that...

How PC can you get? No, you're right though... If I'm not "careful" he might kick my ass through this ethernet cable.

Please excuse my childishness, everyone, but it's fun sometimes.

[Blowmonkey]

Yes everyone loves the work fire & earth have done for us and erowid, but really, do we need 10 posts thanking them in this thread..? The PM button () works fine..

[illimex]

of course I was being serious. Did you see any signs, symbols, or oth3r pointers toward sarcasm?

Fire is an inspiration, both of them are, they deserve the highest respect for stepping up and providing the world with real information instead of Puritan hysterics.

-bows again-

[FUTURAmike]

Originally posted by Blowmonkey
Yes everyone loves the work fire & earth have done for us and erowid, but really, do we need 10 posts thanking them in this thread..? The PM button () works fine..

I think most would agree that an open display of affection is often more meaningful.

BUT, to be logical, it's much easier to type a paragraph using quick reply than to go trhough the motions of constructing a pm. Why the hell do you care anyways? People are just trying to be nice.

lighten up please
PLUR

[ayjay]

I love Bluelight! I agree with you Bilz0r - it's hard to moderate information on a forum-type medium with a top-down approach. Luckily, we don't have to! I have never seen an inaccurate post on these forums that hasn't immediately been jumped on by someone else - it's a non-hierarchical, anarchistic type'o'thang

The other thing I wanted to say is - being well-informed doesn't mean ceasing risk-taking. Maybe dorm-boy knew that 30mg 5Meo DMT + MAOI was an incredibly large + dangerous dose, and decided to do it anyway. As an experienced tripper, he might have wanted to push the boundaries, despite the risks. Let's face it, we've all done dumb shit at one time or another - sometimes we get away with it, and sometimes we don't.

[DG]

Excellent essay.

[dr seuss]

i would just like to mention that if anyone does have any issues, they must feel free to contribute their own piece; and to remind everyone to play nice

[Cactii]

Originally posted by MrM
If you want a drugs information website full of seriously dangerous misinformation, you can't do much better than talk to frank an official British government website that contains such dangerous inaccuracies as;

about 2cb

2cb link


Now it is obvious to anyone who knows anything about the illegal sale of drugs in general, and 2cb in specific, that the idea that all 2cb pills are 5mgs has got to be wrong. Dangerously wrong if people accept it as fact when they have pills of a higher dosage since 2cb is pretty dosage responsive.

It seems to me that erowid is vastly preferable to this.

I think the author was talking about EROX (2c-b)which was sold in germany OTC as a sexual aid, in 5mg pills.

Drugs have never killed anybody, its stupidity that kills people. Its like saying cars kill people, i never met anyone who was struck down by a car without a stupid driver it in.

[toolazy2think]

^^that's completely untrue and very ignorant, people die from drugs even when doing nothing wrong and taking every possible precaution. What about allergic reactions?

[5-HT2]

Good to see you posting here, fire, at last! Great essay, Bilz0r!

[awatkins]

yeah one thing i noticed on erowid is that taking maoi's with a psychadelic such as dmt is supposed to enhance the psychadelic effects, i dunno, maoi's have bad drug interaction with a lot of things and i don't see why psychadelics would be the opposite

[juicehead]

great essay ------>

[moracca]

Originally Posted by Cactii

Drugs have never killed anybody, its stupidity that kills people. Its like saying cars kill people, i never met anyone who was struck down by a car without a stupid driver it in.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I think you are mistaken here. One does not need to be "stupid" in order to get into a car accident. Things happen. Things can go wrong, and no matter how smart you are, you are not invincible. Same goes for drugs. I hate when people get so much into the mindset that drugs are not bad, that they completely disregard the risks. THERE ARE RISKS, and things can go wrong. I'm not saying drugs are terrible, i'm only saying that we need to be realistic here, and admit that there are risks, and we are not invincible. And BTW, drugs have killed people.

[Mr. Robo-Tripper]

There is a reason why its called a "Research Chemical"...

[fastandbulbous]

Just curious why it has to be labelled as 'dangerous/incorrect information' when someone decides to do something like combining 35mg 5-MeO DMT with an MAOI? More often than not, it's got nothing to do with the quality/accuracy of the information available on harm reduction sites and everything to do with people simply behaving like utter fuckwits. In a lot of cases, all the information in the world wouldn't make an iota of difference in the amount of drug (or combination of drugs) that someone takes. Just because the UK 'Highway Code' gives stopping distances for 50 & 70mph doesn't mean that it's a recommendation for everyone to drive at those speeds.

Idiots will be idiots regardless of the volume or accuracy of harm reduction information available from any site.

[BilZ0r]

I agree, the point wasn't that erowid.org has false information, rather just a reminder, that if you even come close to giving dangerous information, people in the real world can die, and it can have an impact on the website involved. (Not that they wont do it anyway...)

You know, just a reminder.

[runaway]

A constant balance between protecting children and creating a world worthy of housing children and what they become. What percentage of children (as many say, the "retards" who abuse drugs absurdly, but also children in general) dying from drug experimentation is acceptable to maintain degrees of freedom for the individual inside all of us. This is incredibly complex in a neighborhood of 6 billion+ people. (Or in any neighborhood). Drugs allow us to reach what many believe is the center of ourselves, be it hedonistic pleasure or insight. Should your willingness to risk drug-taking allow the advertising of drugs to everyone?? There is no exact answer, just food for thought.