COLD WATER EXTRACTION made simple(r) - Page 2

Can I use the CWE with Propoxyphene, which is in Darvocet?

Ok, the paracetamol tablets work WAY better than the nurofen. I got a much clearer seperation of gunk/liquid, and the final result was a lot clearer than the nurofen ever got.

I'm still bemused as to what I was doing wrong with the nurofen though. Can anyone shed some light over why it doesn't seem to seperate properly or filter into a clear solution (or what I was doing wrong)?

from my experience, the ibuprofen in nurofen is just really bad to work with... clumps up like hell and never filters properly, since i started using apap products it became a hell of a lot easier without doing anything different, so thats the only thing i can come up with

however, i never tried any other ibuprofen products so its possible that it could be a binder or something just used in Nurofen Plus tablets, but i dont know

moral of the story: use paracetamol :-)

I have heard that certain types of darvocet do not work for CWE. I have the darvocets made by vintage. The imprint code is 5113 and there is a cursive V below the numbers. On the other side it is blank and has no score. The tablet is oblong and white.... my father doesnt believe it is made in the US, and I have heard that the foreign produced darvocet works wonderfully with CWE while other darvocets dont work at all with CWE.

why did i ever read about cwe :-) lycra-blend boxershorts work well for filtering. Doesn't absorb much liquid.

love the consistancy once you squash the filtered stuff

does this extraction work for hydrocodones?

Yes, it will work for hydros. My question is what is the exact solubility of hydrocodone (mg/mL, g/L, or whatever) and would it work to boil off the water after CWE and be left with pure hydrocodone powder or would the heat effect the chemical? Thanks.

Nurofen Plus - I used this for two reasons. The first, it has the highest concentration of codeine per pill than any other OTC codeine product on the New Zealand market. Secondly, ibuprofen is - I believe, please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I've read up on this - considerably less toxic than APAP.

That means that, yes, although ibuprofen can't be completely filtered out, so you'll never had a clear solution like you should always aim for with APAP, it's not too serious a deal. Just get it as clear as you can.

I would filter first through a clean while cotton tshirt, then through three coffee filters layered together. I assure you, this works just fine. However, I also left the dissolved solution in the fridge for at /least/ two hours, but sometimes as long as overnight. This lets all the gunk settle to the bottom and separates everything else into a clear fluid floating on top, and probably makes a difference.

I'd always smoke a bowl with it as well, helped bring it on. I moved on to bigger things, so I don't use anymore, though it's also worth noting that my most horrific constipation episode (two hours - I checked the clock - in the bathroom in bite-down-on-my-sleeve agony most of the time, honestly thinking at a few points I really might rupture something or have a heart attack and die, and being left with a bleeding ass) was due to codeine. If you're going to use it regularly - and I was really only doing it most weekends - make sure that you're taking fibre supplements with it and have laxatives on hand for when you notice you haven't been in a little while... I've had an episode nearly as bad on smack, but nothing has ever beaten that that.

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Gotta agree with that constipation point, codeine also gave me the worst time, almost word for word as above, when your arse is half open and your muscles have got stuck in push mode you know your in trouble and it's finger time :-) I ended up shoving three supositories and the whole street knew when they worked, Deffo take a laxative with a dose.

Yeah, my experience was back when I was new to it all and a bit of manual assistance never occurred to me - but there was no 'going back' once things started coming like you can sometimes get away with. I was stuck in there come hell or high water until it was over, and oh god, the pain... I had an episode nearly as bad recently with smack but was able to cut it down to half an hour in there since by then I'd learned that it's better to just say fuck self-respect and wash your hands really, really well afterwards than suffer through it naturally.

And they try to tell you drugs aren't glamorous.

Codeine doesn't even constipate me anymore. Now Oxy's I'm starting to get used to as well.

That's without laxatives but tons of water and some exercise/stretching daily.

Constipation sounds like heaven after the bloody liquid turds I've been having for the last few months due of excessive alcohol and GBL abuse.

i guess im more of a perfectionist when it comes to doing cwe, unless im in some hella bad withdrawls then its more of a race against time lol

anyways i like to crush up the tabs before hand on a mirror or somthing then scraping it all into a folded peice of paper with a card or somthing big then using a razor to get all the fine powder thats on the mirror, then cover it with water like the initial post, and stir and all that the same, only switch up tissue paper with coffee filters

and the container u put ur tabs and water in i usualy put in a bowl with water and ice to keep it nice and cold

and somthing else i make sure to do (not sure if its already been mentiond here i skipped to the end to reply after reading about 4 posts) is prewet the coffee filter with some ice water so it dosent absorb any of ur precious opiates, u litearly gotta soak it tho, dosent reallymatter if u get extra water in with ur extract if ur drinking it but if ur gonna evap it ur gonna wanna be alot more perfectionist mode mainly on how much water ur using

i also run a bit more water with a straw or over a knife or somthin in the first glass and pass the contents of the filter just to make sure ive got everything and if u have the paitence to wait for the coffee filter to naturaly do its thing with gravity casualy adding a bit of crushed up ice every now and then to keep it cool ur liquid should be totaly clear, look just like water, buuut it still taste like u took a crash landing at mach 10 into a poppy field and took a bunch of pods to ur mouth and started chewing lol

anyways just thought id contribute a few notes from what ive learned over the years being addicted to opiates

peace and may all your livers live long :-) DOWN WITH TYLENOL DOWN WITH TYLENOL!!

hey guys just finished reading the entire thread

yeah constipation used to be a really big problem for me but now that ive been addicted to opiates for a few years its nothing anymore, just gotten used to it and i go every day or second day too with healthy eating and alot of bike rides and walking ect ect a whole lot of crushing pills up too, gotta work out them arm muscles lol jk

anyways ive only done cwe with tylenol 3's tylenol 1's (the otc codeine/tylenol tbs in canada, 325 apap, 15mg caffeine, 8mg codeine) if memory serves me right... and ive done it with percocet too thats 325apap/5mgoxycodone

but basicly u can do it to any apap/opiate combo tab, pref just those 2 and if u got somthin with only opiates in it already then dont worry bout cwe :-)

anyways good luck with all ur extractions guys :-)

sorry to dig this Dinosaur up, but is there any way to get the colored impurities out with out Act. Charcoal? I want to make 180 or so mgs of percodan Snortable, but I get the Aspirin out but there is still a couple of grams of red shit that comes out with my final evap! (the pills are red, so its probably some fuckin filler material)

according to wikipedia, percodan also contains food colouring ingredients so perhaps that's just the dye binding to trace amounts of ASA or just leeching into the final solution on it's own... I'm not sure there's much that can be done about that with a simple CWE since food colouring typically dissolves well in water of virtually any temperature, so if getting a bit of red dye in your nose is safe then it should be ok

Is there any way to turn the liquid hydrocodone into a powder form? How would this be done?

Originally Posted by scarletfire:
Yes, it will work for hydros. My question is what is the exact solubility of hydrocodone (mg/mL, g/L, or whatever) and would it work to boil off the water after CWE and be left with pure hydrocodone powder or would the heat effect the chemical? Thanks.

That is a great question Fire! The Brits and Canadians are off there arses on codeine, need more details on solubility of hydrocodone. and by the way, warm water extraction seems to work better in terms of solubility and efficiency, at least with the Vics.

SWIM turned the liquid hydrocodone into powder by putting a plate over boiling water and placing the liquid on the plate until it solidified. Then scrapped it for powder. Great stuff

Originally Posted by popcornplayr:
SWIM turned the liquid hydrocodone into powder by putting a plate over boiling water and placing the liquid on the plate until it solidified. Then scrapped it for powder. Great stuff

Has SWIM really done this is SWIM repeating what SWIM has heard from other SWIMs

dude we know who you are we are watching you we want to eat your vics.

No seriously, does that method really work?

no really it works haha

can you do a CWE with oxycodone? or is it just codine products? (I take oxy with no apap

^ Yeah. You can. codeine, hydrocodone, oxycodone. It works for all of them.

But if you take oxy without APAP why would it matter?

great thread. here is my method

time needed: 5 minutes
material: 2 glasses, 1 rubber band, 1 hair brush, 1 coffee filter (basket style), and 1 cigarette
yield: Possibly High

Preperation: Before you do anything, put your pills in the first glass, and add cold watter, to give them some time to soak.

* Now, take the filter and put it over the 2nd glass, and keep it in place with the rubber

* now, look for your pills, swish them around a little. they are either disolved or not. if they are not, add a bit more watter and see if that does the trick. if not, use the back end of the hairbrush to crush them up as fine as possible. That will be easy, since they are just a blob of binders now.

* Swirl around, dump the whole thing in the filter. Go and enjoy your smoke.
Now. There are two possibilities. It filters FAST (like the ASA + C kind), and by the time you come back in it's already just sludge in the filter. Or, as i noticed with everything that has APAP in it, it will take for freaking ever. If it filters SLOW, you just have to wait.

* take of the rubber band. Now here comes the "tricky" part... Twist the filter on top, so it looks like a bundle. make sure the top is 100% twisted and sealed shut. now, GENTLY squeeze the filter to get any remaining moisture out. Open the top just a tad, so you can add a tiny bit of watter on the filter cake. twist it shut again, and squeeze once again. This way, you get ALL the remaining stuff from the filter cake. You can repeat that once or twice.

* Why is this tricky? The filter tends to rip without any announcements, and then it kinda squirts out and you have a big loss. In that case, i have a method to "save" whatever got lost.
If whatever spilled happen to spill on a solid clean surface, don't worry. we can get all of that. just make sure it doesn't drip on the floor. Now take a bit of toilet paper, and soak up all the shit that went beside the glass. Wring out the toilet paper, and voila. take the wet lump, pur a bit of watter over it to get all the remains, and squeeze it out one more time. That invention led to my 2nd technique :-) ....

CWE Revised: Now even faster, the 2nd method. TOP SECRET

* Add the pills to your beaker, add watter and make sure they disolve. Let the whole mixture stand untill all the sludge settles to the ground.

* Here comes the tricky part: Take a huge blob of toilet paper, and submerge it in the solution. it should soak up all of the watter, and leave the cake in the bottom. you can repeat that step if you have to, untill there is just the sludge in the bottom. add more watter, do it one more time to get it all.

* squeeze out the wet toilet paper over a filter. This way it filters WAY faster. of course, make sure to add water to the squeezed out toilet paper, and squeeze once more to get all the remains.

This still needs some work, but the day i find out a reliable, fast and efficient method, i will let you guys know.

Here is something i wrote in a journal somewhere. It is a step-by-step from Codeine+Aspirin+Coffeine pills untill the last step, the plugging of the solution. Just thought i share :-)

Originally Posted by :
Rectal administration of Codeine from ASA + C + Codeine 375/15/8mgs

Things you need and how much they are:
* Codeine tablets (ASA+C+Codeine) - $ 7,50
* Rectal Enema bottle (Fleet) - $ 5,00
* Coffee filter (one) - $ 1,00
* Piece of rubber string - go find it
* 1 glass or beaker - from your house

Filtering
* Take a healthy crap to begin with
* Unscrew the enema bottle, empty out, rinse and wash with warm water. keep the nozzle on the tip, it has some lube on it.
* Put 35 or so tablets in the enema bottle.
* add water for about 2/3th of the enema bottle. USE COLD WATER
* put the filter over the glass, creating an inverted dome, keeping it in place with the rubber.
* Swirl the tablets around in the enema bottle
* Do this (swirl, wait a minute, swirl, wait) until the pills are dissolved. You notice when you don't hear them sloshing around anymore.
* Pour it into the filter
* add a *tiny* bit of water to catch all the leftovers from the bottle, pour it on top of it
* wait 5 - 10 minutes. When you can just see the moist ASA Crystals, loosen up the sides of the rubber string, take the filter, put all the sides together to form a bundle and twist it at the very top so no solution can come out unfiltered
* Keep on twisting in gently, until all moisture is pressed out. Be carefull not to let any solution escape through the top. twist and squeeze gently, otherwise it will rip. If it rips regardless, use 2 instead of 1 filter.
* Pour the liquid in the clean enema bottle.

Now the fun part:
* Pull down your pants, close the door, make sure you are alone and don't get interrupted.
* Also wash your hands before and after the procedure.
* Bend over, stick your butt up, just like you're doing it doggy style (or get done doggie-style...).
* Stick the nozzle carefully in your anus, about 4/5th of the way down. Press a little on the bottle, and it should come out easily. At this point you might notice and odd cold sensation inside you, that is perfectly normal and just fine.
* If it doesn't come out that easy, don't press the bottle too hard. Pull back a cm or so, wiggle a bit left and right and try again. that should work for sure. If not, increase pressure. It will come out eventually.
* Squeeze all the bottle gently into there. Once you notice air coming out, you know it's empty. It kinda feels like an inverse fart when it does. Don't worry about it too much, it will be just fine.
* Pull out, clinch for a sec, pull up your pants and relax. nothing will just squirt out. Don't try to fart for the next 5 minutes or so. It will be absorbed within minutes, and the Codeine is highly constipating, to counteract the enema. It really works, and doesn't give you liquid shits from hell or something.

Aftermath
* clean or dispose your rectal enema bottle. Warm water works fine, and some alcohol swabs afterwards are even better. Make sure you put on lube when you use more than one time
* Dispose of all the filter-gunk. You can flush them down the toilet without a problem.
* Clean out the glass
* Store the pills in a proper place, away from children or animals
* WASH YOUR HANDS BEFORE AND AFTER THE PROCEDURE

Now you see i have a good routine here. It takes me no more than 10 minutes from the first to the last step, and it is possible to do it living together with someone without them even noticing your trip to the bathroom. None of the supplies i listed can't be kept in the bathroom. It is a highly addictive method that brings some benefits. For those with a weak stomach, this gets rid of the taste and most irritation that occurs. effects set in between 5 - 15 minutes.

Take care!

If you're not plugging it, it doesn't really matter how much watter you end up with, as long as it's not a whole gallon. A glass or even two is fine. Use more water, wash your filter residue, and you will get good yields.

Originally Posted by edarrin:
Codeine doesn't even constipate me anymore..

No shit :-)

Same here. I am taking roughly about 400 - 600mgs of codeine a day, and all i notice is that it takes longer for the bowel movement to occur. but it will come. and when it's there, it comes out in one big *swoooosh* and i wish i had toilet paper with a local anasthetic like lidocaine handy or something, but yeah, it comes out allright :-) Just takes longer. After a while codeine lost it's power.
Stronger opies still plug me up allright.