4-mec

[P1HKAL]

Anyone notice that this new big crystal type has a faint drone smell to it? Makes you wonder if it isn't half and half or a bit of slip up or something. I noticed immediate stimulation that was lacking in the non meph smelling type.

Umm it does smell like meph yes, but not as strong and subsequently the effects are not like meph in the sense in lacks the euphoria, the empathogenic effects and the tactile sensations meph will give you. You will be stimulated tho, but I get very stimulated from 4-FA and it smells/looks nothing like meph so I don't know if stimulation is particularly related to the smell.

[sackynut]

this stuff is basically MDA with less psychedelia.

[theotherside]

^^Exactly...and less duration of peak/comedown. I feel that 6-APB is more like MDA for obvious reasons but I would be nervous trying out a 6-APB 4-mec combo...might cause some serotonin problems.

[sackynut]

6 apb was more like in between MDA and 2cI for me. 4mec like in between 4mmc and MDA. haha.

[androoo]

has anyone tried 4mec orally, out at a rave?
how was it for dancing? what sort of dosage and often did you redose??

i haven't been out in a while and speed just makes me too paranoid these days, mdma..argh.. the comedown.. so i've order 3 g's of 4 mec and wondering how it'll fair out at a rave !

[sackynut]

it kind of couch-locked me, but most drugs that couch lock me, make others hyped up. sorry my answer was lame

[JControls]

has anyone tried 4mec orally, out at a rave?
how was it for dancing? what sort of dosage and often did you redose??

i haven't been out in a while and speed just makes me too paranoid these days, mdma..argh.. the comedown.. so i've order 3 g's of 4 mec and wondering how it'll fair out at a rave !

Don't know if 4-mec would do much for you at a rave, not on its own anyway, although at higher doses it does give fairly decent music appreciation, but nothing like meph or mdma. The reason I don't think it would fare well at a rave is because it doesn't give energy, it's really more for a night in with the lads. If you are going to use it, try it out a week or two before the rave so you can work out your dose, initial dose is very important I have found.

[Silverfox]

has anyone tried 4mec orally, out at a rave?
how was it for dancing? what sort of dosage and often did you redose??

i haven't been out in a while and speed just makes me too paranoid these days, mdma..argh.. the comedown.. so i've order 3 g's of 4 mec and wondering how it'll fair out at a rave !

It seems to take on or adapt to the character of the event somewhat. I've had highly empathic sessions with it with friends where we've just sat and talked all night, albeit with lots of moving around and building playlists. One on one with my partner it has been very touchy feely but also energizing. I think that the two constants for me have been music and communication, so I would love the opportunity to try it at a rave.

[JControls]

Actually I'm going to a concert soon and am trying to decide between 4-mec, mdpv and methylone. There will be a lot of dancing involved. Despite what I said earlier I'm thinking 4-mec? Methylone is a bit hard for me to get recently and mdpv is known to be quite dangerous. Would you choose 4-mec as your concert drug? Or something not on the list?

[Noztaljya]

A circle of friends had been doing 4-MMC on the regular for quite some time. It was readily available and consistently available to us.

There was a several week break in the availability of 4-MMC due to the person with the contact information of the supplier having a mild mental breakdown and going on a two week meth bender...

When the supplier was contacted again, the quality of the 4-MMC was atrocious. 200mg insufflated had no real rush, made us feel awake and alert, but no euphoria, no mood elevation, and none of that 'droned out' disorientation common from high doses. (we think what was given to us in this instance was mdpv diluted heavily in another, inert powder as we discovered texture differences in the batch).

The same supplier contacted us regarding 4-MEC. It was acquired and tested out and found to be, at the very least, more tangibly effective and pleasant on the sinuses. It has a slight instant burn, more of a shock, that quickly disappears. Although the powder appears somewhat fluffy or sticky, it dissolves instantly and doesn't clog up like you would expect it to from appearance. There is not a ton of drip, obviously dependent on the amount done and it seems to allow the sinus' to rehydrate themselves quickly and effectively. Compared to most 4-MMC, especially the most recent batches, this is like candy...

Several of us did a rigorous experimentation over the course of 24 hours using 100mg bumps. It seemed to have a softer feel than 4-MMC. Where 4-MMC kinda felt like a can of Steel Reserve, this was more like a HoneyWeiss. It also, from the very beginning felt better. I mean that in the purely psychological sense. Without knowing hardly anything about it or what to expect, it just created a better, safer(mentally, no idea about toxicity), less sketchy mindset and overall mood. The only people who seemed to not care for it were those people who had been at the drone game longest (one in excess of 12 months of daily use). They found it to be weak and uninteresting and just 'not the same' as 4-MMC. These people switched back to the other batch of horrid drone and really didn't ever want to do the 4-MEC. I have a theory as to why, which I will explain later.

What solidified my opinion on 4-MEC being an altogether better chem than 4-MMC was when I tried it orally. I had hesitated on this because it did seem 'softer' than 4-MMC and I assumed that it would also have a softer feel when ingested.

WRONG.

Well, not so much wrong as surprised. I ate 300mg dissolved in Diet Coke (when eating drone, I would typically do 200-300 orally depending on quality, and then bump 100 to carry through until it hits) and was going to bump to get going but in getting bumps lined up for others I became distracted. Before I knew it I was out of my mind with euphoria. MY eyes were everywhere, I had a big ass grin on my face and I couldn't keep focused on one thing very long. I felt like I had eaten a couple of very strong hits of x. I was amazed. Even more so because I had been putting the stuff up my nose in 100mg shots every hour or so for a day and a half. I couldn't believe that it caused such a euphoria and altogether rolling vibe. I never got around to doing the starter line I had intended. I kept thinking about it (drone habit, is it time for another line yet?) but kept realizing I was still just as good and didn't need to do any more. That lasted for 3.5-4 hours.

As a note, in case some of you think that perhaps I had some MDMA and not MEC or some mixture, I can guarantee you that this is not the case. The amount we acquired would have been financially impossible if it were even a slight mix. The taste color and texture were not only significantly different than mdma, but consistent throughout. If there were MDMA, you would be able to see it amongst the fluffy structure of this stuff.

When I finally noticed a dissipation of the effects, I let it go a little and was surprised that it tapered nicely. It does not have the drop off of high doses of MMC. I decided to do a bump and with it I found myself right back into the euphoria and tactile 'rolled out' place I had been. I was able to maintain this effectively for a very long time. The comedown was easy, no tweaky, fiending, sketched out mode as I often found with MMC. There was energy but not speediness and it was relatively easily slept on. I didn't notice significant side effects such as vasoconstriction and the hot flashes that go along with MMC. It also didn't come with the delirious 'droned out' mental state that goes along with higher doses. It felt happy, enjoyable, and good. It didn't leave me feeling sketchy and fiendy, a sensation that has accompanied MMC from the very beginning.

My experience was not the only one. I recommended another person in our party try it orally. Her reaction was exactly the same, and under the same dose and length of use leading up to it. All aspects of my experience were shared by her up to and including the conclusion that it just feels better in that psychological sense.

If I had to take a guess at it based on the sensations and emotions this made me feel and left me with afterwards, I would say 4-MEC is probably like a reverse 4-MMC. They both act on nor-epinephrine, but MMC triggers dopamine in high amounts and little serotonin, MEC gives you little dopamine and high amounts of serotonin. This would account for a number of things that I noticed to be different in the experience. The obvious would be the euphoria of MEC compared to MMC. The second, and arguably most relevant to this thread would be the disinterest in MEC by several HEAVY and long term MMC users. I would guess MEC is boring to them, or 'just not the same' because they are not being rewarded by a dopamine rush. I can't fathom why anyone would have reverted back to the crappy drone we had gotten after trying this, until I think about it from a chemical dependence/tolerance standpoint.

All in all, MEC seems pretty fantastic... if you're not trying to replace MMC or a coke habit... It has a definitively more 'lovey' MDMA type feel, to the point that if given MEC as MDMA in an oral dose, I would likely not be able to notice the difference. And that is something that I have been wanting to say for a long time, lol. Life goal #369 completed.

Put it this way, I haven't really ever met a coke head who disliked MMC and the re-dose nature of it. Most of the people who prefer MDMA dislike MMC until given an opportunity to eat it leading to that 'rolling' feeling, but are still left fiending and disappointed in the duration. MEC taken orally is extremely powerful to those people who prefer a serotonin high over a dopamine rush.


The only thing left to cover is the after effects, which seem to be mild. Body exhaustion that is likely somewhat overstated because of the type of sleep schedule present over the two weeks prior (a few days on, one off...). There seems to be no hangover depression or afterglow. It doesn't 'feel' like it was significantly damaging as MDMA and MMC do sometimes. And the psychological thought process is one of looking back fondly on the experience and wanting to try it again. MMC never made me look back at the experience fondly, it was fun but it always left me feeling a little sketchy and dirty. It also seemed to draw the sketchy people out of the woodwork. I don't get that feeling with MEC and I don't fear seeing the sketchy people coming around because of it. That is possibly the best part of it in comparison to MMC for me personally. I don't feel like I am doing something dirty or grimy. I don't feel like a fiend.


Sorry for the novel. Just seems to me that people are looking to this or being directed to it as a MMC substitute. In my opinion, if you are looking for that, you won't like it. If you are someone who is a fan of MMC but prefer the MDMA-esque qualities of it over the coke qualities of it, you will find more enjoyment in eating MEC.


To the three more recent posts regarding this, I would say that the supply may be weak or simply not MEC. I have not seen anyone have a strong but also negative reaction.

Fucking brilliant post! Thank you, just the knowledge and advice i'd been seeking!

How would one benefit from taking this with amphetamines? Would this cause a feeling similar to speed and mdma, EI rushing ones tits off whilst loving every euphoric moment of it?

Maybe the longer effects of MEC would go well with the longer effects to Amphetamines?

What would your guess be?

[DJ 303]

Just a quick and very important update. We determined that the 4-mec referenced in my previous post was actually cut with MDPV which is what gave it that pop of an mdma trip. Although I personally do not like MDPV, when used in conjunction with this chem, I think it is an excellent enhancer. I would also say, that I would never recommend insufflating MDPV under any circumstances. Particularly when mixing. It seems 20mg MDPV/Dextrose mix which is a 33% concentration of mdpv is a good amount to get the rolliness going.

I will be experimenting with other chems that act on dopamine to combine that may be somewhat less iffy than MDPV. I will report my findings when I have them.

^ warning! read the thread BL'ers! this info changes the nature ogf the whole previous post!
Not saying it wasn't a decent post!
merely it is not a report of 4-mec but a report of 4-mec with MDPV in combination - a whole different ball ame due to the apparently powerful effects of MDPV, and the reported weakness of 4-mec!!

[kulira]

We enjoy 5apb and 6apb orally and 4 Mec only insufflated. I had a bad comedown from taking both 5apb and 4mec, and never want to take it orally again.

[frogboy]

This stuff is weird it's not really very enjoyable. I put 250mg in a drink and it floored me for about an hour and a half. My eyes did the wobble thing I thought they were kind of crossing at times. It's just fucks you up no rush really no empathy not euphoric at all. I felt like I was ready to sleep 2 hours later but had only been up 8 hours. I order 4-mmc and got 4-mec after taking it I felt no need for more and asked the vendor if it was 4-mec he said yes.

Will I take it again yes I'm stuck with another gram and a half. I guess I'm going to try and mix it with some M-1 anyone ever try it mixed with M-1 I would really love any feedback. I would not buy it again it's kind of lame

PS in case it matters I have never done Meph

[alienidentikit]

This has recently become one of my favorites. I take a small amount oral, 50-100 mg, and then insuflate 50-70mg lines up to around 300 mg total.

It gives me a very sedate euphoria and enhances music amazingly. I sit back, my eyes roll around, I shut them and chill out to ambient type music and it is an incredible almost meditative experience.

However, after that's all done (around 30-45 minutes great time per line) I feel jittery, dysphoric, anxious, tired, but unable to relax.

What would help the comedown? I guess my question is should I be treating this more like an amp comedown (usually take zolpidem) or an MDMA type comedown? Would melatonin be safe to help sleep later? Benzos? any advice?

thanks!

[sackynut]

treat it like an MDMA or 2c come down in my opinion. some benzos are perfect for me.

theres apparently some 4mmc making its rounds in the USA thats either cut with, or completely 4mec. so watch out if you are picking up drone...

[Asyd420]

i bombed 400 mg of MEC and was very impressed since iv'e insuflate it a few times before and didn't get the same feeling i did when i was snorting it.

[alienidentikit]

treat it like an MDMA or 2c come down in my opinion. some benzos are perfect for me.

Thanks!

Any idea on the activity of this one - monoamine reuptake inhibitor, or more releaser? Wonder about the ratio of effects on dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin. Any more info available anywhere that anybody knows about?

I'm also wondering about long-term neurotoxicty similar to MDMA and/or effects on heart valves etc. I'm sure nobody has any data on that though but educated guesses are welcome!

[sackynut]

some of the tox. from MDMA is from its metabolites, not just its effects.
4mec is obviously more serotonergic than 4mmc, less dopmanergic and no clue about NE.

if it acts as ethcathinone does than 4-mec is metabolized into 4-MC which (if following the rules of amps) is more serotonergic than 4mmc.
4mec is to MDA, what 4mmc is to MDMA.

[Jakeperson]

Is it likely that the effects of this will be diminished if I have consumed 5/6apb recently?

[gourella]

This stuff is weird. An initial 150mg bomb did absolutely nothing, 60mg insufflated provided a nice warm buzz for about 20min, then tailed off. Redosing did not do anything to bring back the slight euphoria/music appreciation obtained from the first line.

I thought maybe my oral dose was too low the first time, so on a separate occasion, I bombed 400mg. Started to come up about 20 min in but did not take off as I expected it to and after ~45 min was just left with slight dysphoria and stimulation.
I even tried boosting it with 4-FA to no avail, and didn't feel anything from the 4-FA either (not that its anything special).

Don't know what people are talking about having great euphoria and this being better than meph.. not even close. Smells like it though.

Perhaps it is extremely dose dependent and you have to find the right dosage for you?

[The dragon]

I'm not over keen on 4 mec, has anyone had the chance to sample buphedrone yet?

[Jakeperson]

Heard it causes a lot of stimulation and paranoia from re-dosing

[sackynut]

ive tried this stuff a few times more since my last posts and i do NOT like it as much anymore. it has way too many unpleasant side effects, not many positives.
the entire experience feels like a 2c-i body high, along with the anxiety. the euphoria is comparable to light 4mmc, and the stimulation is hardly any. not very fun. it got my heart racing a ton, had some swelling in my throat, lots of muscle twitches. not the best stuff.

[BananasAndOranges]

ive tried this stuff a few times more since my last posts and i do NOT like it as much anymore. it has way too many unpleasant side effects, not many positives.
the entire experience feels like a 2c-i body high, along with the anxiety. the euphoria is comparable to light 4mmc, and the stimulation is hardly any. not very fun. it got my heart racing a ton, had some swelling in my throat, lots of muscle twitches. not the best stuff.

i reccomend anyone who snorts any drug to use saline. I just received more of this and its fairly pure as fuck. Looks nice i will right a report but always saline or rinse with water through noae and do the salt watr gargle at night...treat it like it was meh in your nose....of course your shit will be swelling mine does if i snort anything and dont properly eat or take care of myself for awhile......i think this has been thfor my plants appetites besides methyslone....and in terms of dancing...ive danced for hours.

[sackynut]

i reccomend anyone who snorts any drug to use saline. I just received more of this and its fairly pure as fuck. Looks nice i will right a report but always saline or rinse with water through noae and do the salt watr gargle at night...treat it like it was meh in your nose....of course your shit will be swelling mine does if i snort anything and dont properly eat or take care of myself for awhile......i think this has been thfor my plants appetites besides methyslone....and in terms of dancing...ive danced for hours.

no i took it orally. i do not snort chems anymore for various reasons. the swelling was just a fight-or-flight type of reaction to the anxiety caused by 4mec, same with the muscle tension and twitches. not to mention the anxiety it caused, led to exponentially more anxiety because of the negative physical reactions. its too bad, i used to think 4mec was a winner. but it just cant hold its own IMO.