(I AM NOT ENDORSING USE! JUST EXPLAINING MY EXPERIENCE)
KEEP IN MIND THIS THREAD IS ABOUT MY PERSONAL SUBOXONE/SUBUTEX USE AND EXPERIENCE!
I have been using drugs, primarily opiates, for around 10 years now. Being so, Ive heard alot of people talking about a couple subjects which Id like to share my views and experiences on. Please, please, email me any questions you have regarding opiates, ways of administration, etc.. to me if you are worried or concerned. I know plenty about most opioids, meth, crack, cocaine and Suboxone and subutex.
Which brings me to what this thread is about, Subutex and Suboxone... Difference, similarities, ways of administration, etc.
First off, let me start off, that Im an addict. Ive been shooting heroin for 4 years now and I have been on Subs, subutex on and off before, but now on them for a year. SO MY TOLERANCE WILL BE WAY ABOVE YOURS! SO DO NOT TAKE WHAT I SAY AND JUST DO... But I will tell you what I started with... But remember thats where I started after having a 3 yr tolerance of heroin.
So, Suboxone and Subutex... Whats the difference?
Suboxone 8mg: ORANGE PILL (hexagon), DO NOT USE WHILE ON OPIATES!!!!!!, TAKE UNDER TOUNGE, CAN BE SNORTED, DO NOT INJECT!!!!
Subutex, Buprenorphine, bruprenex 8mg: WHITE PILL (can be both small, or advil sized), CAN BE SNORTED, CAN BE INJECTED. DO NOT USE ON OPIATES!!!!!
What makes these pills different, is naxloxone. Naxloxone is in Suboxone, and it does a little job in making it so you can not Shoot the pill. Now in some cases people shoot suboxone (WHILE NOT ON OTHER OPIOIDS) and dont get sick, others feel a little sick, others feel alot sick. Either way it doesnt get you high, and isnt good for you. So shooting suboxone is pointless and in best cases just get you sick. This was added because people were shooting buprenorphine, which does make you feel a little good. Now first thing first, subutex is buprenorphine. You can snort, put under your tounge, or shoot this little guy. But if you do. I warn you, start off small, and absolutely do not have any opiates in your system... and I mean, wait at least 48 hours, from your last use, especially if your an every day user...
I was shooting heroin everyday, I would eventually run out of money and then take Subutex.... I would always inject my subutex, but this WILL turn into a habit if you start doing it. and you will need to inject more and more at an alarming rate... I know. BUT BEFORE ALL OF THAT...
I had just done heroin on a saturday night, the next day I was out of cash, so I was sick all day, then on monday morning I did a shot of 8mg subutex... It had only been around 36 hours.... I thought I was fine and could do it. After I shot it up, even with the needle in my hand I started getting sick, not regular sick, REAL SICK. I was on the toilet and I started shitting my guts out, then I started to sweat, so much I was slipping off the toilet seat every second, then I screamed for someone to bring me towels (I used 3) to wipe it off in my insanity, I was like this for an hour in agonizing hell until I passed out for 12 hours. I felt terrible, so bad that I was afraid ever to shoot subutex again... But i eventually did under the STRICT 48 hour rule...
But now you know. If your an addict, or frequent user, taking SUBOXONE or SUBUTEX (Not just by injecting, under the tounge, or snorting) you will go under withdrawls, crazy withdrawls, at different rates. So wait 48 hours. For people who just take opioids once in awhile, if you take it while your on something, your high will just be stripped away and make you normal, and possibility of you being sick. So whatever you do guys, dont take this while on other opioids.
But heres how much I started using and how. I started injecting a quarter of an 8. So about 2mg of Subutex at a time. I know it seems small, since I was doing so much heroin, but trust me. You crush it up into a spoon and add a full 1cc of water... stir it up for a long time... then suck it up. You will have alot of residual residue, but thats all crap. Inject that and I would lay down and get a very small, light, feel good moment for 20 mins... Now people say what they want... But I was finally getting clean, and this was a way to get clean, and give myself a little prize for doing it. It may be just 20 minutes, but I looked forward to that and it helped me get clean... But theres bad to everything.... I started doing this 3-4 times a day, and quickly, even faster than heroin, built a tolerance...In a month I was shooting 4-8mg at a time to get that feeling 3 times a day. So on one hand your using needles habitually again, and two having to use alot of Subutex. It was a good way to start but now im taking suboxone, under the tounge, so i dont fuck around with needles nemore.
So if its a way for you to start getting clean go for it, but honestly, under the tounge works fine, snorting subutex gives u abuzz, and snortn suboxone does too.
I think I covered most of the bases, message me or reply if you got questions. Trust me I know alot and just want to help people. I will only give you answers as to what IVE EXPERIENCED and what ive researched about what Ive done or the drugs ive done. Not just about what ive reasearched, because everyone knows alot of information given online, even if by manufacuturers can be bullshit. Why? because they cant say "ya this drug can be injected!" when in fact some can be...
So I leave you with this... Do not use suboxone or subutex while your on opioids, and do not shoot suboxone period, you can snort it just fine. Wait 48 hours before using them by any method.
But do as you wish, thats just my 2 cents to help people.
I also know alot about most opioids and how to administer them... Oxy, percs, vico, Opana, Roxies, How to make the old oxys out of new oxys, How to snort the new ops (by changing them) dillaudid, and fetanyl and more. Also meth, coke, and heroin and crack
I just hope I can share my experiences, as im lucky to be alive as many people with the knowledge I have, have usually died from learning it.
Q: Can I use other drugs on Suboxone/Subutex?
A: You can, you wont get sick. But you will "most" likely not feel any effects. This being said, I have used Heroin (double my normal amount) after 12 hours of taking an 8mg Suboxone and felt it. So you can feel it if you take enough. But that costs alot, and the high is minimal in "most" cases. So id say save your money and wait 36 hours after taking a suboxone/subutex to use.
Q: Can I snort Suboxone? Can I Snort Subutex?
A: This is a common question people ask and to clear this all up, yes you can. You can snort suboxone regardless of the naxloxone in the pill. The naxloxone in the suboxone only prevents IV use. The common misconception people have about snorting suboxone is from the naxloxone, they say "ohhh no way I snorted it and it doesnt work" well the answer to that is acidity and habitual insuffulating. Depending on peoples ph levels in their nose the higher ph people makes the buprenorphine degrade. Another reason is habitual use, people who snort alot get an extra "high" just for doing so. As for my experience, when I snort subutex I get a really warm face feeling thats different from when I take it under the tounge, and suboxone does a little less but similar feeling. But either way you will get it into your bloodstream doing this, regardless what they say on their official website. Yes you can snort subutex, and it provides a strong warm feeling,
Q: Why do I get sick if Im using other drugs and then take Suboxone/Subutex?
A: Suboxone/Subutex are opioid like, they use the same receptors as opioids do. Think of Suboxone/Subutex as a little kid, and suboxone as a big kid. The little kid is using a swing set (your receptors) and the big kid, the bully, comes by and pushes the little kid off the swing so he can swing. Now imagine this happening times a few million times, at the same time. What makes you sick, is that subutex/Suboxone is ripping all your high away and thus creating immediate withdrawls. This happens harsher to addicts and habitual users
Q:What drugs should I not take while on suboxone/subutex?
A: Well as you know, any opioid. And there is alot of ones that online says is a bad idea. Mostly its any Benzo, like xanax, and valium. So I would mainly worry about those, I've been on suboxone/subutex for awhile taking a ton of different pills from my doctor and allergies etc. and have had no problems. Even taking methocarbomol, dicyclomine, ambien, Gabapentin, Trazadone etc. So try not to use to many benzos... but Ive done it... So at your own will... do what you want.
Q: Can I get addicted to Suboxone/Subutex?
Q: YES. this is not just a wonder drug, its a life saver. Though the problem is that you can get addicted to it like any other opiate. The withdrawls are even similar, if not worse than heroin withdrawls (in some cases).
Q: Why is it bad that I use Suboxone/Subutex whenever I run out of drugs?
A: You really don't want to be taking Suboxone/Subutex here and there. Mainly because when you do need it and decide to quit for good. You will have to take more suboxone/subutex because your body has become accustomed to it and make it harder for you to take and quickly get off.
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- Aug 2012
The naloxone is pretty much ineffective in suboxone since buprenorphine has a higher binding affinity than naloxone. While I don't advocate IV use, I know plenty of people that have IV'd suboxone and not gone into withdrawal (considering they didn't have any opiates/opioids on their receptors already) like doctors and the makers of suboxone have claimed.
Also, the term you were looking for about it forcing the other opioids from your receptors is "antagonism" since the buprenorphine is an opioid antagonist.
I started a wiki page on this here, so if you want to contribute then you can post on that page to either add to areas I posted in, or in areas I didn't get around to. Once it's finalized one of the wiki mods will enter it into the official BL Wiki page drug FAQs.
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- Dec 2009
- Memphis Tn
From what I've heard, granted this is second hand info from the street, that when IVing a suboxone/subutex you are running a much higher risk of abbesses, limb loss, and other horrible things, than most other injectable pills. I have had an injectable form of buprenorphine in a detox setting and i believe it was called bupernex or something. I received IM shots of it, but I highly discourage any IV of bup drugs. They work pretty fast under the tounge.
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- Aug 2012
I discourage all IV use... But I realize people will do what they will. Especially when your in withdrawls... I never got abscesses ever... Not once. I Ived 5 times a day, for 3+ years... So around 5,000 times... Jeez thats sickening... But I believe the key thing to avoid Abscesses is how you inject. Primarily CLEAN injecting and not missing. Make sure your pulling back blood into the needle before injecting and using clean methods... Even though I many times reused needles and wasnt practicing clean iving... It is a significant factor of abscesses ... But I think mainly be sure to pull back blood... Cuz missing is a pretty sure way of getting an abscess
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